I didn't understand a word of that but my counterpart Oold Luunch was reading over my shoulder and seemed to grok it.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
back to the grim resignation for ep 9:
I'm enthusiastic about the scale implied by a huge fleet of star destroyers that's been unseen throughout the movies that seems to pop up. It's an idea that got thrown around in different forms in the fandom, but seeing a shitload of those suckers on screen is pretty awesome
― a u.s. government department (mh), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
I wanna see some 'opening scene of Spaceballs'-level commitment to the scale of such an endeavor. A good twelve minutes or so devoted to them slowly coasting into the scene.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
Like hes hit upon the idea of it being possible for something other than star wars to exist but cant quite figure out how to articulate it from within his worldview of 'star wars is everything'. Kind of thrilling to read tbh, like someone trying to break out of the matrix
lol yes
Can you imagine the Doctor Who peeps saying, 'yeah, all that shit people made while the show was on hiatus for years and years totally isn't canon anymore, way to waste your time and money nerds'
"the Doctor Who peeps"' position is in fact the far more sensible "there is no canon and never was, even the TV show."
Except for once when an outside PR firm wrote a press release for some downloadable computer games saying that they were canon. As the games are no longer hosted by the BBC, I suppose they've been downgraded to Gnostic gospels.
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
Then you have three universally hated prequels.
LOL. I spend A LOT of time deep in the fandom, and this notion is . . . well, you should go to an SW con some time, is all I am saying. You would be quickly disabused of this alleged universality.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
I mean, the number of late 20s - early 30s female fans out there who count Darth Maul and Padme Amidala among their favorite characters, and Revenge of the Sith as a top-2 or -3 entry, is substantial.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:04 (four years ago) link
I refuse to grimly resign myself to that fact
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
Damning with faint praise. "Covenant" is to the Alien series what Scott's "Hannibal" (the movie) was to the "Silence of the Lambs" series. Just because it's sort of aware of its overheated ridiculousness doesn't make it any smarter/better.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:37 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's not smart! it's just very misanthropic in a way i find weirdly compelling
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
also features unforgettable scenes of android fingering
― a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
xp I don't know how old Fred is but there is a SERIOUS contingent of SW fans who were 5-10 years old when TPM came out, got taken to the prequels by their parents, and grew up loving them. To them, Ewan MacGregor IS Obi-Wan Kenobi.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
yes! xp
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
wouldn't classify myself as a star wars "fan" but i love the prequels and i don't see a vast quality difference between them and the original trilogy
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
so that serious contingent of sw fans are otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
i dislike the prequels but my hot-take is that the phantom menace is the best movie of the 3. the second one is the worst. "I don't like the sand" my eye!
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I know I'm supposed to toe the party line but on the basis of having seen all of the post-ROTJ films precisely one time each, I have to admit that the prequels (or at least the latter two) were more entertaining and memorable than the newer sequels. Which is not, notably, a qualitative statement.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
i've only seen the most recent of the new sequels (and solo) of the newer films and yes, phantom menace is better than those films
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
attack of the clones is sometimes my favorite bc of obi-wan's noirish clone factory investigation
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
I can never be mad at any movie that gave us that Ray Harryhausen monster-fight sequence.
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― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
Cool i get to explain to my colleagues why I'm reading about fingering droids on company time good work all
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
the prequels are 10000x better than the force awakens but the last jedi is extremely tight y'all xp
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:18 PM bookmarkflaglink
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― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
I thought the Abrams/Johnson films were fun while I watched them but I'm continually stunned that I remember almost nothing about them aside from some of the Big Moments (and even those are a little fuzzy). I think that accounts for much of the reason why I'm not exactly excited about the new one.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
Say what you will about Lucas, but he knew how to make (or facilitate) a two-hour toy commercial that stuck with you.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
hmmmm I should do I "favorite Star Wars big monster" poll
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
The Last Jedi is the best star war
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
I'm not sure any of the prequels/subsequent sequels are worth a second viewing.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
Challops a plenty here, someone pls bring a different side dish
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
I recently re-watched TLJ for the first time since it came out, and genuinely laughed at the scene where Poe pretends to have connection issues in his video chat w/Hux ("...General Hugs?"). Say what you will, that s#$% is funny
― Inapt Authority (morrisp), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link
I haven't seen Caravan of Courage since elementary school and I remember that thing better than The Last Jedi tbrr.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
― a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
they're fingering recorders!
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
boy are they ever
― a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link
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― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link
way to waste your time and money nerds
BTW: any aspect of the BBC that even knows that there were novels and comics in the '90s (or are novels and audios and comics* now), probably knows that there are a few hundred ppl who read the '90s novels at the time, and are still watching the show. The 7 million ppl who watch a new TV episode on BBC platforms in the week of transmission and never think much about it again can safely be regarded as "the other 100% of the audience."
Rian Johnson healthily seems to take this attitude even to rabid Star Wars fans, insisting that the hundreds of misspelled Last Jedi abuse replies on every tweet he makes about baseball games are a tiny proportion of the actual feedback he gets overall. * extry extry for OL: the regular DW comic has been running unbroken since November 1964, with two caveats: a five-month break in 1978-79 (about 1/3 of the current gap between TV seasons) while it moved from TV Comic to Doctor Who Weekly; and sometimes in the Fourth Doctor era they would just draw Tom Baker's face over a Jon Pertwee face on older stories.
http://alteredvistas.co.uk/assets/images/Third181.gif http://alteredvistas.co.uk/assets/images/Fourth210.jpg
(The first and second Doctors, rather than being spacemen with companions from 18th century Scotland and 25th century orbital research facilities, were Earth inventors who travelled with their two prepubescent 1950s-born English grandchildren. CANON!)
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:38 (four years ago) link
I hate the sequels, and would really like to say the prequels are better. And they are more... 'interesting'. But I've tried to rewatch them, and they are unwatchable crap.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
*ponders firing up the pvmic thread*
― a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
xxpost Yeah, I know Who is much less precious about this stuff, what with all the 'timey-wimey (middle finger drifts in from the bottom of the frame)' and whatnot.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
And I'm not really under any pretense that most of the people stewarding these franchises care about fan reaction that doesn't come in the form of $$$.
― Masters of Engilsh Litera-ture (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
(I mean, the BBC ppl stewarding it aren't, bcz they don't get any of the $$$)
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
Attack of the Clones is up there with Woody Allen's 'Whatever Works' for me in the extremely small club of films that I'll always remember as "non-student films that were so badly made i couldnt believe i was actually seeing them in a real movie theater".
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
haha "Whatever Works" is so shockingly bad
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
Before I leave bg to c+p, the best illustration of Dr Who's attention to canon is that they destroyed Atlantis three different ways in five years. And two of them were in season finales, in successive years, written by the same two-person team. One of whom was the producer in charge of the show. But anonymously, bcz BBC policy didn't allow you to write for the show as well as working on it.
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
sic otm above
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
I think it's fair to say that the sequels and the prequels are both disappointing, but the prequels are just disappointing in a much more fascinating way. And I don't even hate the sequels, they're just...OK. TLJ has flashes of brilliance.
― icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
if this was 1985 we could be complaining about how ESB was too much of a thematic departure and ROTJ sucked
― a u.s. government department (mh), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
No
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
people did that!
― a u.s. government department (mh), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
I would rank AOTC above ROTJ (that's my "challop," I guess?)
― Inapt Authority (morrisp), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
due to when I came of age, my subjective stance is entirely tainted by having seen the original trilogy on VHS overly too many times. we'd have it running on a tv while playing board games until the wee hours of the morning when I was in high school at a friend's place
completely ruined my ability to judge anything star wars-related through any lens other than that of inflated cultural importance and locked the aesthetic into a particular set of characters and stylistic choices
― a u.s. government department (mh), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
my stylist had Star Wars playing (on VHS) during my last haircut, I wasn't there very long but I was taking note that the whole middle part of the movie, between the somewhat emotional beginning and the action-packed end, is just a lot of hijinks and one-liners.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link