Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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And don’t they charge you through the nose for it?

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:17 (six years ago)

This thread provides receipts on the BBC’s eagerness to platform fascists dating back decades

working class antifascists in the 1930s banner-dropped BBC headquarters and gatecrashed their broadcasts in protest at how the BBC helped to facilitate the rise of Mosley, while ignoring or obstructing working class struggles. https://t.co/gwt4Kn3bex

— michael (@Sisyphusa) May 10, 2019

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:19 (six years ago)

Cost of healthcare is partly offset by free water and free cheese iirc.


Both these things would disproportionately benefit our household

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:21 (six years ago)

not that invalidates your arguments mark which i'm in broad agreement with, and i might be misunderstanding the point, but "Death on the Rock" was ITV, World In Action iirc

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:21 (six years ago)

you could argue that the BBC wouldn't/couldn't have produced and broadcast that particular investigation because even in the pre-Birt years it would've been to vulnerable to pressure from the Thatcher government and the spooks in ways that ITV *possibly* wasn't? trying to remember who did most of the work covering the facts of the Belgrano sinking

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:25 (six years ago)

Boris Johnson isn’t a leader. He’s a coward. He can’t even stand up for himself, let alone stand up for Britain. pic.twitter.com/OKcHdKQUg2

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) December 10, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:27 (six years ago)

i mean i actually think the bbc was distinctly less terrible in the 60s and 70s on this particular point than it had been in the 30s: the post-war (lol pre-boomer) intake had had a very specific political education by virtue of their war years

as an index of the contradictory complexities: for years their US correspondent was a fellow called charles wheeler -- who was really very good on the civil rights movement and race in the US, and the anti-war movement and that era of the culture wars, very clearly very sceptical of washington's bullshit about itself and what the absurd cadre of US lobby correspondents would say was the thing to say

except wheeler was also boris johnson's father in law

mark s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:30 (six years ago)

x-post lol yes yr right, i guess i'm thinking of some other ireland-related mid-80s current affairs doc which MR seamus milne's dad and then-BBCDG alistair m was screamed at and monstered for

(haha i think you've corrected me on this same point before also, my filing system *points to stupid head* is bad not good these days)

mark s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:32 (six years ago)

don't really know what this means but it seems good

Literally every Labour office i've been in the last week they've said "we thought we'd just be on GOTV but we've got so many volunteers we're doing another round of don't knows today" #ge2019

— Sarah Jaffe (@sarahljaffe) December 10, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:37 (six years ago)

gotv - get out the vote, enough volunteers to go beyond that hand have a proper plan of action

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:38 (six years ago)

focussing on don't knows is i guess more labour intensive but more productive to swinging vote shares

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

Normal country

The woman who originated the false claim that the picture of Jack Willment-Barr was staged
 now says her Facebook account was hacked, she is not a nurse, and she has no political allegiance: https://t.co/YMzuSUjEHQ

— hern (@alexhern) December 10, 2019



Think GOTV is key with Labour, but also tjink they did what they did last time where they knocked doors that hadn’t been knocked in years and worked on mobilising non voters and new voters.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:41 (six years ago)

lol mark the fact i've got no idea that i might've corrected you before is also consistent with the state of my memory, obviously 80s TV was bad for us

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:41 (six years ago)

aww hell yeah the brexit party have their own mayor pete dance

#TheBrexitParty flash mob got there first #Sunderland https://t.co/jvswxxPQSc pic.twitter.com/EJfH6XUiUX

— Ajay Jagota đŸƒâ€â™‚ïž (@ajayjagota) December 8, 2019

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

National Service for them and only them

nashwan, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:47 (six years ago)

they're well coordinated for fascists

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:47 (six years ago)

god more than ever this week Jme's "Pricks" really ought to be on Youtube

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:48 (six years ago)

did anyone see the brexit party exposé on channel 4 news last night? lovely stuff

sarah jaffe tweet rhymes w/dan hancox’s report from the 17 election where they found they had so many canvassers they just printed the electoral register. the time round - impressionistically it seems like there have been MORE canvassers + a more offensive operation

the red centrist telephone’s model now predicting a LAB minority govt

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:53 (six years ago)

red centrist telephone is an mi5 misinformation campaign, sorry to report

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:56 (six years ago)

"why did you sit idly by and do nothing, imago"

"Here are the marginals that need you most.
Tell us where you’re going, so we can ensure people are sent to marginals that still need more support.

Harlow
18.9 mi"

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:02 (six years ago)

i'm contributing to the online war ;)

pinefox was campaigning really near me tbf! if Lewisham East or Eltham is lost i will go about in sackcloth

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:03 (six years ago)

sad to hear the red centrist telephone has been cancelled

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

The Chapo hosts were apparently out canvassing for John Cruddas in Dagenham - I can’t imagine that went particularly well but good luck to them.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:07 (six years ago)

loool

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

Their UK content is exceptionally terrible but nice to see them doing a praxis

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

worth campaigning in both lewisham east and eltham

conrad, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:11 (six years ago)

I don't know what I'm basing this on but I'm reasonably sure there are a higher proportion of undecided voters out there than in pretty much any previous election in my lifetime. It would explain the variance in the polls and why any commentator citing "the data" is likely to make a fool of themselves.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:11 (six years ago)

I live in Lewisham East and I have to say I'd be pretty surprised if it returned anything other than a Labour MP. Obviously it's worth campaigning there nonetheless.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

i've heard quotes of "millions" of undecided voters, which seems boggling and i find v hard to believe but yeah i think there are a lot of milquetoasts who don't deserve a vote still wobbling around out there

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

The Chapo hosts were apparently out canvassing for John Cruddas in Dagenham - I can’t imagine that went particularly well but good luck to them.


Blue Labour Jon Cruddas? Did they even google?

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

dommy p's favourite uk politician, fact fans

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

my main thing is I can't even imagine them saying "cruddas" without chuckling

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:16 (six years ago)

can't believe chapo have been melts all this time, smdh

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:16 (six years ago)

keep digging you fucks

Cancer patients do not “really care” about longer waiting times for treatment because survival rates are on the rise, a Conservative candidate has claimed.

Chris Philp provoked gasps of astonishment when he also claimed that missed waiting targets – the figures are the worst on record – are because of the success in persuading people to come forward.

“The reason why waiting times for diagnosis are going up is because we are encouraging more people to get themselves screened, which is actually a good thing,” said the aide to the justice secretary.

He then added: “The outcomes, cancer survival rates, which is what people really care about – am I going to survive this terrible illness - they’re going up.”

Mr Philp also claimed the Conservatives were able to promise billions more for the NHS because “the economy is strong” – on the day it was revealed there was no economic growth for three months in a row.

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:18 (six years ago)

one of the reasons we must never go back is that Cruddas was toward the left of the party in the post-Brown wreckage, this is how far Labour has come since 2015 thank fuck

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:25 (six years ago)

very often "undecided" means "actually i *do* p much know who i will vote for but i'm not going to pre-own myself semi-publicly here to YOU as this or that Ultimate Exposeℱ is playing out in the media"

= "i don't have the firepower to rubbish this story which i suspect you will ask me about, so i'm saying I DON'T KNOW even tho i actually do"

mark s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:31 (six years ago)

really hoping that all this awful media coverage is generating a Shy Labour effect

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:32 (six years ago)

Hoping to get a decent estimate of the number of first-time Labour votes within days of the GE.

Would like to think there is a million or more in there which could not only counter the drift from red to blue from Leavers and the Remainers branding themselves as "AbC" for whatever dubious reasons they muster, but surpass it. Obviously this may well not be reflected in the seats (ie Labour's overall voteshare increasing on 2017 slightly without getting them much closer to even 300 seats).

nashwan, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:35 (six years ago)

I'm writing about Ken Loach, so catching up on his old BBC tv dramas from the seventies, and I have to say I was pretty impressed at what he could get away with. 'Rank and File' basically ends with the voiceover of a disillusioned worker explaining that trotskyism is the only way forward. Still his best period, honestly.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:50 (six years ago)

every episode of the one show ever made has ended that way tbf

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:55 (six years ago)

Things haven't changed that much except now every single programme on the BBC ends with the voiceover of a disillusioned worker explaining that they've always voted Labour but...

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:57 (six years ago)

I don't watch TV but surely there must be at least a couple of instances of 'I've always voted Tory but
'

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:59 (six years ago)

BBC drama in the 70s (into the first half of the 80s at least) was a hotbed of radical agitprop Fred, which is one of the reasons us olds are so disillusioned and cynical now

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:00 (six years ago)

I think I saw my first instance of that last night, now you come to mention it, the guy was voting Lib Dem instead. (xp)

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

Just reading this thread and fascinated how someone as right wing as Kinnock got portrayed this way

The 1992 general election was so tight that The Sun claimed their coverage 'won it' for the Tories.

A reminder of the bizarre lengths the paper went to in portraying the ‘Nightmare on Kinnock Street’... pic.twitter.com/KXyjvRPrMV

— Tides Of History (@labour_history) December 10, 2019

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:02 (six years ago)

He has moved to the right over time tbf.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:09 (six years ago)

It's been nice not noticing a peep out of Skinnock for so long.

nashwan, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:10 (six years ago)

yeah Kinnock Sr was geniunel on the moderate Left of the party in the 80s and the platform was probably not much further Right than 2019's, tho of course the country has got a lot worse since then

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:11 (six years ago)

haven't heard much from jess phillips either - long may it continue

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:11 (six years ago)

the bbc really want this jon ashworth thing to be a thing don't they

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:26 (six years ago)


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