Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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She's another mutant expression of what has come to have been known as the Nultimate Substratum, the evil of banality made flesh

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:09 (six years ago)

Here it is, the ultimate ILX Britisher quiz:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/10/the-guardian-election-social-media-caption-quiz

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:10 (six years ago)

the bbc's psychotic lowest common denominator chickens are hatching

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:16 (six years ago)

didn't local garda work for them and say that there were editorial meetings where they said they couldn't release any content if a slack-jawed bigot with legitimate concerns might object

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:17 (six years ago)

Going full Epstein-brain but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if LK’s spell at notorious CIA recruiting ground Georgetown University might be a factor.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:20 (six years ago)

yeah i'm on board with that, why not

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:21 (six years ago)

I think it's more that the objections of a slack-jawed bigot have to be ventriloquised by someone who doesn't really believe in them because otherwise it might look unbalanced.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:21 (six years ago)

haha that landlord pic xps

nxd, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:22 (six years ago)

LANDLORD! CORBYN DEVESTATE HIM LIVLIEHOOD!

fetter, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:24 (six years ago)

she loves being part of it all, the gossip, in thrall of the establishment

I interned in one of the BBC's parliamentary units about 15 years ago. From what I saw there is a politics journo 'type', usually male, who absolutely live to be inside the clique, to know more gossip than anyone else. I never came within spitting distance of it. The politicians themselves and their staff are the white heat of it, and they sun themselves in it. I'd be surprised if LK herself has any recognisable political convictions apart from this attitude, but of course the attitude itself aligns quite nicely with the sort of fealty to power and vested interests that characterises the right wing.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:27 (six years ago)

Here it is, the ultimate ILX Britisher quiz:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/10/the-guardian-election-social-media-caption-quiz🕸


10/16

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:32 (six years ago)

Just had an argument with a m8 about the election. I think I’ve already had my big deep depression on this - 2016 was really hard for me, it was like the whole country voting against immigrants and the right to be a smaller, worse place*. But you look at how the media monster anyone who’s a Labour leader and you wonder how this can ever change? It’s really depressing and I’m reconciled to a Tory win and I think Brexit will destroy Boris too.

*and yes this obviously already applied to non-EU immigrants and people who aren’t white in general and I’m fully aware this is a privileged position.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:41 (six years ago)

Even if they do win I can envisage the government they form being an unmitigated disaster, much much worse than the 2nd Major government and ushering in a long period of them being out in the wilderness again.

― I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Timestamping some of these posts btw

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:41 (six years ago)

The really stupid thing as well is I keep thinking about moving home and it always turns out to be a stupid idea and it’s shit because:

- healthcare isn’t free in Ireland
- housing would become a massive issue again
- I wouldn’t feel like I do know but my husband probably would?
- the government is hideously right wing already
- ???

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:44 (six years ago)

Today I'm feeling cautiously upbeat. Thursday night I'm gonna go watch our Hannah play Aladdin, and then i'm either gonna hang out with friends for the results or sit at home, drinking either way, with the Disintegration Loops on.

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:45 (six years ago)

- healthcare isn’t free in Ireland

How so? (I'm just curious, I know absolutely nothing about this.)

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:48 (six years ago)

I also know nothing but I imagine that you have to pay for it

conrad, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:50 (six years ago)

Yes but there's a spectrum with the US at the shameless other end.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:52 (six years ago)

Well, prescriptions aren’t free unless you pay over €134(?) a month for a family. It’s a big different from each one costing €9 if you pay here. And the GP costs €50-€60 a throw to visit. I was on my parents’ family plan for insurance the last time I lived there so not sure how much I’d have to pay there now.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:52 (six years ago)

Also it was pretty shocking to me when I went to get the pill the first time & it was free. That’s a big difference as well.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:57 (six years ago)

Is that the case even for lower income brackets?

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:59 (six years ago)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-has-third-highest-quality-of-life-in-world-says-un-report-1.4110646

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:11 (six years ago)

Canada isn't in the top 10 therefore that list is invalid.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

Cost of healthcare is partly offset by free water and free cheese iirc.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

that sweet welfare Galtee

calzino, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:13 (six years ago)

i'm stuck in the middle of two massive essays on lolsome xmas deadline so i'm not going to unload my full thoughts abt the badness of the BBC in eg the 80s and 90s except to say that it was structurally very different pre-birt and in *certain* ways absolutely repaid the trust in it that had been built up -- it was an org with its own deep reaches of institutional knowledge and genuine expertise, not exactly independent politically but significantly hard to scare or nudge into bullshit. it was also riven with its own unexamined and exploitable problems *cough* savile *cough*, as englamoured as the rest of the high media classes by e.g. the SDP and as opaque and confusedly hostile e.g. to the miners.

the brit "revolution" shattered its institutional inertia -- an inertia which was combination good and bad, but at least meant that a current affairs doc made from a challenging perspective (eg "death on the rock") would once broadcast be backed up with all its serious mission-to-inform weight. afterwards such a prog would have to be pitched by an independent production company, with internal editorial making changes and demands upfront, if they weren't just saying no upfront. the "institutional weight" of trust now switched to the opaque decisions of insiders (often ambitious young uns), and absolutely away from the independent production company (who could be jettisoned as partisans whenever this was needful). hence the ugly mess when andrew lol gilligan confronted the blairite argument for war: director general greg dyke defended gilligan -- who for once in his worthless life was more or less correct -- and was himself jettisoned. but this debacle was the endpoint of birtisation not the startpoint of a decline in quality.

tldr: just ask an old-school bennite* abt the bbc in the 70s and 80s, they're not fans! the idea of a state broadcaster is very vulnerable to the bad kind of capture! the technocratic ideals behind it are (a) bismarckian and thus (b) culturally and politically problematic! but it was being significantly degraded throughout the 90s, until gradually most of the good elements (of the political affairs reaches) were sold off or corroded away. it still does good work outside political affairs but the corrosion is everywhere

*i'm no fan of benn for various reasons, even tho he looks better now than ever -- but he had started political life as a bushy-tailed bismarckian technocrat himself and much of his latterday politics was about distancing himself from this, not always entirely unhypocritically

mark s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:15 (six years ago)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-has-third-highest-quality-of-life-in-world-says-un-report-1.4110646🕸


And don’t they charge you through the nose for it?

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:17 (six years ago)

This thread provides receipts on the BBC’s eagerness to platform fascists dating back decades

working class antifascists in the 1930s banner-dropped BBC headquarters and gatecrashed their broadcasts in protest at how the BBC helped to facilitate the rise of Mosley, while ignoring or obstructing working class struggles. https://t.co/gwt4Kn3bex

— michael (@Sisyphusa) May 10, 2019

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:19 (six years ago)

Cost of healthcare is partly offset by free water and free cheese iirc.


Both these things would disproportionately benefit our household

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:21 (six years ago)

not that invalidates your arguments mark which i'm in broad agreement with, and i might be misunderstanding the point, but "Death on the Rock" was ITV, World In Action iirc

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:21 (six years ago)

you could argue that the BBC wouldn't/couldn't have produced and broadcast that particular investigation because even in the pre-Birt years it would've been to vulnerable to pressure from the Thatcher government and the spooks in ways that ITV *possibly* wasn't? trying to remember who did most of the work covering the facts of the Belgrano sinking

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:25 (six years ago)

Boris Johnson isn’t a leader. He’s a coward. He can’t even stand up for himself, let alone stand up for Britain. pic.twitter.com/OKcHdKQUg2

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) December 10, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:27 (six years ago)

i mean i actually think the bbc was distinctly less terrible in the 60s and 70s on this particular point than it had been in the 30s: the post-war (lol pre-boomer) intake had had a very specific political education by virtue of their war years

as an index of the contradictory complexities: for years their US correspondent was a fellow called charles wheeler -- who was really very good on the civil rights movement and race in the US, and the anti-war movement and that era of the culture wars, very clearly very sceptical of washington's bullshit about itself and what the absurd cadre of US lobby correspondents would say was the thing to say

except wheeler was also boris johnson's father in law

mark s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:30 (six years ago)

x-post lol yes yr right, i guess i'm thinking of some other ireland-related mid-80s current affairs doc which MR seamus milne's dad and then-BBCDG alistair m was screamed at and monstered for

(haha i think you've corrected me on this same point before also, my filing system *points to stupid head* is bad not good these days)

mark s, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:32 (six years ago)

don't really know what this means but it seems good

Literally every Labour office i've been in the last week they've said "we thought we'd just be on GOTV but we've got so many volunteers we're doing another round of don't knows today" #ge2019

— Sarah Jaffe (@sarahljaffe) December 10, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:37 (six years ago)

gotv - get out the vote, enough volunteers to go beyond that hand have a proper plan of action

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:38 (six years ago)

focussing on don't knows is i guess more labour intensive but more productive to swinging vote shares

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

Normal country

The woman who originated the false claim that the picture of Jack Willment-Barr was staged… now says her Facebook account was hacked, she is not a nurse, and she has no political allegiance: https://t.co/YMzuSUjEHQ

— hern (@alexhern) December 10, 2019



Think GOTV is key with Labour, but also tjink they did what they did last time where they knocked doors that hadn’t been knocked in years and worked on mobilising non voters and new voters.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:41 (six years ago)

lol mark the fact i've got no idea that i might've corrected you before is also consistent with the state of my memory, obviously 80s TV was bad for us

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:41 (six years ago)

aww hell yeah the brexit party have their own mayor pete dance

#TheBrexitParty flash mob got there first #Sunderland https://t.co/jvswxxPQSc pic.twitter.com/EJfH6XUiUX

— Ajay Jagota 🏃‍♂️ (@ajayjagota) December 8, 2019

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

National Service for them and only them

nashwan, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:47 (six years ago)

they're well coordinated for fascists

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:47 (six years ago)

god more than ever this week Jme's "Pricks" really ought to be on Youtube

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:48 (six years ago)

did anyone see the brexit party exposé on channel 4 news last night? lovely stuff

sarah jaffe tweet rhymes w/dan hancox’s report from the 17 election where they found they had so many canvassers they just printed the electoral register. the time round - impressionistically it seems like there have been MORE canvassers + a more offensive operation

the red centrist telephone’s model now predicting a LAB minority govt

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:53 (six years ago)

red centrist telephone is an mi5 misinformation campaign, sorry to report

a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:56 (six years ago)

"why did you sit idly by and do nothing, imago"

"Here are the marginals that need you most.
Tell us where you’re going, so we can ensure people are sent to marginals that still need more support.

Harlow
18.9 mi"

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:02 (six years ago)

i'm contributing to the online war ;)

pinefox was campaigning really near me tbf! if Lewisham East or Eltham is lost i will go about in sackcloth

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:03 (six years ago)

sad to hear the red centrist telephone has been cancelled

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

The Chapo hosts were apparently out canvassing for John Cruddas in Dagenham - I can’t imagine that went particularly well but good luck to them.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:07 (six years ago)

loool

imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:09 (six years ago)


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