Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

so judging by the candles the post-credit scene was taking place three years prior to the events in the 'present' of the series. Plenty of time for Ozy to escape and find a way back to Earth (landing on the farm land I imagine)

maybe this is a challop but I thought this was a better, less fussy take on time travel paradoxes than "The Constant"

A lot is riding on the final episode, I fear. Last night's was another great one, but we're still no closer on a lot of the plot threads wrapping up. Not that I expect them all with a neat little bow, but it's going to be a tough landing to execute after such a terrific run this far. I was not expecting them to handle the Dr. Manhattan reveal well, but it worked.

If only he had been able to finish making those waffles

All that really needs tying up is what Trieu's deal is.

And isn't the Seventh Kavalry's actual plan still kind of not fully known?

there's really not that many loose ends left

xpost to give the Senator Dr. M's powers?

they wanted to kill dr m and then give his powers to senator keene. but idk if they know about how the doc can transfer his powers. i think the plan was to put keene in an intrinsic field generator and then hope that he reassembles himself like osterman did?

The comic explained that Osterman's accident was singular and couldn't ne replicated, and that his unique mind was what helped him put himself back together as Doc Manhattan. Presumably whatever they did to him in this episode was to get him to help Keene put himself back together the same way?

Joe Keene probably hasn't even read the comic, the moron.

Would be very leftovers for Keene to do it and not be able to put himself together. Roll credits.

Keene gains omniscient powers, immediately thinks, “Oh, white people really are terrible, huh?”

so Veidt asked to be sent to Europa? I didn't quite buy why he asked for this and don't quite get why he now needs to leave. I'm assuming he gtts out and that's what lands outside Tulsa.

It's fairly obvious he's grown sick of the monotony

He felt insufficiently appreciated for "saving the world" and thought he might find fulfillment in being straightforwardly worshipped, but ultimately just felt trapped and alienated xp

I'm going to laugh very hard if it turns out that one of the ppl Dr M 'sploded was Looking Glass in disguise

Questions I think are still unanswered that should be answered in the next ep:

- Who is Lady Trieu and what is her plan?

- Who did Doc Manhattan transfer his powers to?

- How will Veidt get back to Earth? (Since his scenes presumably take place in the past, and Doc Man knew he was gonna "die", my guess is he brought Veidt back to Earth right before the 7th Kavalry attack, since he didn't want her to get stuck on Europa.)

- Who has been doing the squid attacks in Veidt's absence?

- In the post-credits jail scene, Veidt mentions that he has "eight million children", what was that about?

- Who is the Game Warden? His explanation of his origin didn't really jibe with what we saw Doc Man do on Europa, as the GW claims he was there to witness DM creating life, putting air in his lungs etc. But in the actual flashback we saw DM first create an atmosphere and flora and fauna, before he created the first two humans. So it seems GW is lying, he's not the original clone, rather than the Satan of this scenario, whatever that means.

Questions I think are still unanswered that should be answered in the next ep:

- Who is Lady Trieu and what is her plan?

- Who did Doc Manhattan transfer his powers to?

- How will Veidt get back to Earth? (Since his scenes presumably take place in the past, and Doc Man knew he was gonna "die", my guess is he brought Veidt back to Earth right before the 7th Kavalry attack, since he didn't want her to get stuck on Europa.)

- Who has been doing the squid attacks in Veidt's absence?

- In the post-credits jail scene, Veidt mentions that he has "eight million children", what was that about?

- Who is the Game Warden? His explanation of his origin didn't really jibe with what we saw Doc Man do on Europa, as the GW claims he was there to witness DM creating life, putting air in his lungs etc. But in the actual flashback we saw DM first create an atmosphere and flora and fauna, before he created the first two humans. So it seems GW is lying, he's not the original clone, rather than the Satan of this scenario, whatever that means.

They kind of glossed over it but I can buy that he left because he found humanity ungrateful (both for squandering the 'opportunity' that the squid attack gave to come together and create a utopia, and not loving him for it), and then found Europa to be a personal hell of a different sort.

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Oh yeah, and Looking Glass obviously survived the 7K attack, so what has he been up to?

So 3 hour ep then

Regular length, apparently.

A couple of Tuomas' points seem like reaches/overthinking to me (esp the Game Warden)

- In the post-credits jail scene, Veidt mentions that he has "eight million children", what was that about?

Was it billion (ie everyone on Earth)?

I don't think so, IMO it's obvious that he has the moustache and the mask so that we wouldn't realise he doesn't look like the other clones.

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The HBO closed captions said "eight million", but I guess that could've been a mistake.

Game Warden is Cary Elwes

Not played by him. Actually him.

Lindelof, you've done it again!!

The Game Warden is the same actor as the clones fwiw

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- Who is Lady Trieu and what is her plan?

will probably be answered

- Who did Doc Manhattan transfer his powers to?

his adopted son. the one who levitates stuff and builds models of Dr. M's martian mansion.

How will Veidt get back to Earth? (Since his scenes presumably take place in the past, and Doc Man knew he was gonna "die", my guess is he brought Veidt back to Earth right before the 7th Kavalry attack, since he didn't want her to get stuck on Europa.)

There was some talk about Trieu building spacecraft, so I suspect she had something to do with his return

Who has been doing the squid attacks in Veidt's absence?

do we know if there were squid attacks during the 7 years Veidt was on Europa? They may have started up again after his return.

In the post-credits jail scene, Veidt mentions that he has "eight million children", what was that about?

The line was probably 8 billion, but director was afraid to correct Irons.

Who is the Game Warden? His explanation of his origin didn't really jibe with what we saw Doc Man do on Europa, as the GW claims he was there to witness DM creating life, putting air in his lungs etc. But in the actual flashback we saw DM first create an atmosphere and flora and fauna, before he created the first two humans. So it seems GW is lying, he's not the original clone, rather than the Satan of this scenario, whatever that means.

I really doubt this will be addressed in any way.

I only care about Lube Man and whether Doctor Manhattan will get his waffles

If Keene gets the powers will he be Senator Manhattan or Doctor Tusla?

Pediatrician Okmulgee

- In the post-credits jail scene, Veidt mentions that he has "eight million children", what was that about?

the squid are his children

"The Game Warden is the same actor as the clones fwiw"

yeah I didn't realize this until last night. He absolutely did look like Carey Elwes when he first appeared and I thought it was him but clearly he's too young.

the squid are his children

This was my impression as well.

Who has been doing the squid attacks in Veidt's absence?

do we know if there were squid attacks during the 7 years Veidt was on Europa? They may have started up again after his return.

I've been operating under the assumption the initial attack seeded the atmospheric moisture with squid seeds or something

I assumed Trieu was keeping up the squidfalls in his absence.

In his cell, Adrian reads Fogdancing, a book by Watchmen-universe author Max Shea, who wrote The Black Freighter comic. This is just a basic lore Easter egg, as Fogdancing was also featured in Episode 4, "If You Don't Like My Story, Write Your Own," being read by Katy Clark in the beginning. Fogdancing was also seen on the Vietnam VHS rack, as an adapted movie, in Episode 7, "An Almost Religious Awe."

The Peteypedia this week is about Fogdancing too

I'm sure his squid dispenser has a timed delay mode.

Even if the Game Warden's story is all true and he's really just the first clone Doc Man created, there's still a couple of unanswered questions about him... Why is he the only one of the clones willing to use violence and able to stand against Veidt? (Was a he defective clone, more similar to humans than the later ones?) And why is he tasked with not letting Veidt leave the mansion area? Did Jon give him this task? Since Jon can see the future, maybe he knew Veidt couldn't be let out until 2019 for whatever reason?

Y'know, it's like an automated cat food dispenser, but for little alien squid.

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xp idk man, it's his world and he wants to protect its integrity

I don't know. Game Warden is maybe the only clone who remembers the original god and therefore never buys Ozy as god?

I don't see this as a loose plot thread

Tuomas iirc these important questions will be answered in Season Two

My initial feeling was that Lindelof was bullshitting about not wanting to run additional seasons and I have returned to that assessment.