Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Yeah i know right, it's crazy!

The tactical voting stuff this year has been fantastic on Twitter and this morning i notice it's all over the papers in great detail.

The impact of attempting to correct these sources of error is as follows:

Polling average
Con +10%

Turnout modelled to GE 2017 across all polls
-1.6%

EU Ref demographic changes
-2.4%

Re-weighting 2017 DNV's/New voters:
-2.84%

Actual Con lead: 2.86%

END

— Dr Moderate (@centrist_phone) December 8, 2019

trust no threads

whatever your opinion on tactical voting as a practice (i don't think much of it at all, but concede in certain instances it might have its uses) the way it's been deployed this GE has been so nakedly dishonest and manipulative, it's gone beyond the '£350m for the nhs' bus shit
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Stan The Golden Boy
‏Verified account @tristandross
4h4 hours ago

i can't emphasise enough how it's basically asking labour voters to throw their vote away for a party they don't support, which will, in numerous cases, result in tory wins - in order to perpetuate these twin narratives of 'the lib dem fightback' and 'corbyn labour losses'
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Stan The Golden Boy
‏Verified account @tristandross
4h4 hours ago

fucking hate this sabermetrics 'moneyball'-applied-to-politics tactical vote conception of democracy as something that should only be cynically gamed, and not about giving a popular mandate to policy ideas. rotten shit that treats you as a metric to be maximised, not a person

lol sorry i dont know how to post

Agreed, this is why PR is better than FPTP - assuming it's legitimately PR

The dishonesty around tactical voting this election obviously serves the usual suspects and actually diminishes the Lib Dems's credibility when "we are poorly served by FPTP" is one of the few genuine arguments they have

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— Div (@askforcawmbyok) December 8, 2019

plax otm we are really flirting with death with tactical voting. But as long as it fucks the left that's ok.

I'm in a "sponsor a labour campaigner" fb group (where activists can be linked up with people who can't canvass but have funds to support their travel etc)... and it is so wholesome. have to say that (from what I remember from 2017) the activist/ground game feels a lot more substantial. I only have a very narrow window into it (via e.g. the couple hundred people I follow on twitter) but even then it feels markedly bigger

Fixed it. pic.twitter.com/8H8LPdxxEK

— Balcony Shirts (@balconyshirts) December 8, 2019

lol what a risible tool

Contemplating Rangers getting beat, get it up you

lol get fucked

😬 pic.twitter.com/4IBehi0XWT

— 🚩 The Election Leftorium 🗳️ (@LeftoriumThe) December 8, 2019

if IDS isn't doing good in their constituency polling then perhaps they might not like boris either

I am not sure at all that many Labour voters will sling a vote to the LibDems in most constituencies with the exception of some of the more affluent areas in or around London where the LDs might genuinely oust the Tory incumbent. Swinson has quite conspicuously failed to detoxify her party among most Labour voters.

He’s definitely rattled. He’s my local MP and he turned up on our doorstep last week. Never seen him before. He told us that If we voted Labour we would lose our house. Really weird conversation. Voting Labour of course pic.twitter.com/ByS5Qt9FD3

— Will Goring (@willgoring) December 1, 2019

I’ll feel ill if LDs undermine Emma Dent Coad out of her seat in Kensington because Sam Gyimah is such a schmuck.

god i would love it if IDS knocked on my door

https://timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/nosferatu.jpg

i want to see if he can do the levitating bolt upright thing irl

i feel bad for count orlok now tbh, yes a bloodthirsty demon without scruple but he surely hasn't earned this dismal association

The only campaigning I've been doing is throwing mudballs and clumps of dirty leaves at two Vote Conservative signs near my house and I told some Tory leafleters to fuck off, but even if I had movie star looks and charm I couldn't bring myself to tell someone to vote LibDem - even in a tight marginal. Fuck them forever.

between IDS, Rentoul and Frank Field it's possible that the undead have been traduced enough

LibDem voters in Putney, please vote Labour for Fleur Anderson as you should for Faiza Shaheem inChingford Meanwhile Labour voters return the favour and vote tactically LibDem in both Westminster and Kensington. Our voting system imposes brutal choices. https://t.co/VpEMFWSmIA

— Will Hutton (@williamnhutton) December 8, 2019

This could just kill us all in the end

Lib Dems need the Labour vote in Richmond Park and a few other places in greater southwest London and nowhere else.

and Finchley ;)

would you believe there are people still going on about the queen's speech thing on the football forums

you on follow follow ?

nah wait what

Finding the whole ‘Corbyn fans want us to tactical vote now but were hostile to us for being centrists’ v. depressing. Yes, no one should’ve been preachy or divisive. But honestly, as if it matters. I doubt kids starving due to Universal Credit care what’s happened on Twitter.

— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) December 8, 2019

I like Frances a lot but...no begging from me, centrists can get fucked.

after decades of been arrogantly told no opposition party is credible without appealing to them - just totally fuck them and let them start another party for the lols.

I like Frances a lot but she has a blind spot with certain Labour melts who awarded huge contracts to ATOS for WCA that actually caused disabled people to die.

They tried that this year and it got them the square root of fuck all. Most of them (except for Jewish people who are cross with the current leadership) have such demanding-to-speak-to-a-manager energy and one friend got very cross with me for objecting to his use of ‘politically homeless’ (he owns two flats but I did not mention that).

I think what’s necessary is to find a new non-pejorative term for centrist/moderate because these assumed liberal bias people are neither of these things. They are quick to build strawmen into their arguments, quick to cast aspersions on others, and extremely condescending to even those of us who are polite in our disagreements. I fucking hate having to manage their emotions to prevent them from damaging or insulting me.

🐦[Finding the whole ‘Corbyn fans want us to tactical vote now but were hostile to us for being centrists’ v. depressing. Yes, no one should’ve been preachy or divisive. But honestly, as if it matters. I doubt kids starving due to Universal Credit care what’s happened on Twitter.
— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) December 8, 2019🕸]🐦

I like Frances a lot but...no begging from me, centrists can get fucked.

Never mind Miliband, some of us saps voted for Blair! More than once too!!

I was pleased to see a friend of mine who lives in Putney constituency and is a card-carrying Lib Dem say he will definitely be voting Labour.

just been chatting with a LibDemer elsewhere: "I can't abide Corbyn even though I'm voting for him. I simply loathe Johnson and all he stands for."

plenty on the left held their nose and voted for war criminal tony blair - am sure they can do the same to help lift 4m children out of poverty

"I think what’s necessary is to find a new non-pejorative term for centrist/moderate because these assumed liberal bias people are neither of these things."

A lot of the time it's like a kid having a tantrum and that's what I hate so much when the usual suspects on here or twitter have 'issues'. Like some of it is valid but in the end I don't want to spend my time babysitting. Just stfu, vote Labour, don't brag and act like you are doing everyone a big favour.

... also stop filling your nappy in public (particularly in the midst of an election) and instead, organise, develop new ideas, and try to win the argument.

I pose as an undecided when I meet a Lib Dem* I use the phrase politically homeless, but then say Jo has lost me recently and well Labour are offering a referendum, oh I know he's just awful, but what can you do? I can't say I'm happy about it but I'm going to have to vote Labour (just for the referendum of course)

This has happened precisely once. I'm still unconvinced that actual Lib Dems exist

bit unsettling that ben elton is good again -- however i shall stfu as requested and not mention his bad novels for a few days anyway

brb checking out rory mcgrath's voting intentions

at least you can safely cast aspersions on Richard Curtis' politics or just carry on calling him a cunt!

be funny if rory mcgrath was a MI5 agent going deep cover to bring down Momentum

I see Rory around Cambridge fairly often and have to pretend not to recognise him. At the radio station where I have a monthly show, they have a clipping from the newspaper where they've sent a youngish female presenter to join in one of his restaurant reviews in what looks superficially like a date, it feels a bit wrong in the current climate to do this with a man recently convicted of stalking, guess maybe it was all her doing and I shouldn't judge, but still.

yoikes!

> I’ll feel ill if LDs undermine Emma Dent Coad out of her seat in Kensington because Sam Gyimah is such a schmuck.

yeah, i don't understand observer saying to vote LD here.

2017
Lab 16,333
Con 16,313
LDem 4,724

especially as this is where Grenfell tower is

Went to see some solo improv jazz tonight where the performer exhorted us to imagine that Corbyn had won already as a means of making it happen in reality. I was very cheered by this and am now focussing on doing exactly as she advised.

I will say that the answer to your question koogs is that the observer hates Corbyn, Keynesian economic approaches, politics focused on social justice, global demilitarisation, reducing wealth inequality.

Etc

centrists: "how dare you call us Tories, we are simply grown-ups who want what's best for everybody but aren't deceived by the empty promises of the Trots"

also centrists: "think i might have to reluctantly vote for the dismantling of the welfare state because some of those Momentum kids are really mean"