Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

That was very good from Gary Neville - presumably in the knowledge it would go viral. Shame about the lack of reaction shots from the rest of the panel.

xp jesus wept, just going short of "are you a terrorist ? y/n" levels of idiocy.

It made me laugh when Phil Nev was in millionaires union mode and saying footballers should withdraw their oh-so valuable contributions to social media every time there is a racist incident at a football match. I don't know if he got Dean Windass to sign up to this proposed "strike"!

Anti cuts. Pro trims. pic.twitter.com/luHJ6bYPSt

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) December 7, 2019

I just nearly threw my radio out of the window when that cunt Nolan replayed his interview with Corbz from '15 - where shock horror - something like 3 times he refused to make a standard mealy mouthed and worthless politician arsehole condemnation of the IRA.

Can't imagine why that's a big deal to Nolan

Fucking hell that citizenship test question made me angry.

My wife took the citizenship test years ago and they didn't have anything like as egregious a question as that, there was some questionable stuff on it (not that I can remember an example) but nothing like that ahistorical nonsense. that was under Tony Blair or Gordon Brown though. she never ended up getting citizenship, we decided we couldn't really afford it and it didn't really change anything anyway apart from voting rights. or at least just being a resident was OK back then.

lol yougov

Who won the last debate?

Britain Elects 33,000 votes

Corbyn 57% Johnson 28%

Paul Brand ITV 30,000 votes

Corbyn 78% Johnson 22%

Martin Lewis 23,000 votes

Corbyn 47% Johnson 25%

The Times 8,000 votes

Corbyn 63% Johnson 37%

YouGov 1,646 polled

Corbyn 48% Johnson 51%

— Philip Lewis #VOTE LABOUR 12 DEC #JC4PM (@philewis) December 6, 2019

lol eugenics

Boris Johnson states the UK public are "Far from equal in raw ability, if not in spiritual worth". He also says "It is surely relevant, to a conversation about equality, that as many of 16% of our species have an IQ below 85" and "Some measurement of inequality is essential". 😲 pic.twitter.com/Lk1E2Z2iYN

— The Labour Leftie 🌹 (@TheLabourLeftie) December 6, 2019

Yesterday: canvassing near Blackheath (Lewisham East), visited by Sir Keir Starmer. The only respondent who sticks in the mind is the young man who said he used to be Con, will vote Lib Dem, it's all about JC and JC 'hasn't done it for him'. Smarmy bad person.

The other thing that bamboozled me - a thing I forget till I go out and talk to such people - is how many people are just not interested, won't vote, or even if they will, haven't thought about it yet, and quite often can't remember how they voted last time. It's unthinkable to me but for many people, politics just doesn't figure in their minds. Understandable in that so much of politics, like the government, is vile, but these people need to vote to change that.

Then travelled with my MP down to Croydon and went on two rounds of canvassing. The Labour majority here is 5,652, bigger than I'd thought, but it's considered an important marginal. Went round an estate where every road is named for a UK athlete: Christie Crescent, Gunnell Close, Akabusi Drive. Again many people not wanting to engage or talk at all. Some enthusiastically and definitely Labour. A big white bloke with a white van and a chaotic dishevelled garden eventually answering the door: 'I won't be voting for you, cos you don't wanna do Brexit'. Another extraordinary black woman going into a long, despairing rant about slavery, saying that black people should never have been brought to this country.

So many activists in Croydon. People at HQ all day sticking envelopes to go out. Teams of canvassers coming and going. Hard to believe an operation like this isn't going to win, even increase the majority, though I heard that boundary changes affected it. David Lammy turned up from Tottenham, gave a speech saying 'It's gonna be close'; I heard him privately talking to local MP / candidate Sarah Jones about potential Con losses like Watford. Overall he didn't sound very pessimistic. I told him the Tottenham Hotspur scoreline and he told me of his doubts about Daniel Levy's influence on the club. He calls Pochettino 'Pooch'.

Into the evening, canvassing in the dark, coming across undecided voters on an affluent middle-class road. Lammy and Jones had rather self-indulgently long conversations with them, especially a bloke I dug out of a family occasion who seemed to enjoy sharing his undecided waffle with us for about 15 minutes. Leaflets through many other doors.

It's healthy to get out into the campaign. A different view from online, let alone MSM. One simple and important thing it reminds me of is the fact that there are people who are very strongly pro and anti Brexit, not just in 'the North', but even these South London constituencies. Both are doubtful about Labour. But Labour's is by far the best Brexit policy, the only way through these extremes, and we shouldn't be ashamed of it at all. Just taking a 'cancel Brexit' line or the like would have turned off even more people than we have already lost.

Unsure where to go next. Might possibly go back to Croydon on polling day.

observer tactical voting guide is trash lads

So you’re saying people shouldn’t vote SNP in a Labour-held seat where the SNP candidate has been suspended for antisemitism?

It’s bizarre and seems intentionally designed to mislead potential Labour voters nationally. They can’t have been this sloppy and incorrect accidentally, even if it is the Observer.

observer tactical voting guide is trash lads

Good job it'll be read about 12 people then.

Great post pinefox

and quite often can't remember how they voted last time. It's unthinkable to me but for many people, politics just doesn't figure in their minds

This correlates with that Dr. Moderate thread on Twitter upthread about 'people suddenly remembering who they voted for last time' closer to the day.

Never forget that there are people out there who don't know who the Prime Minster is and have no clue who Jeremy Corbyn is.

... quite a lot of people, I suspect

and that's just in this thread

That’s such a wonderful post, pinefox.

Yesterday someone said yes, they were going to vote. Do you mind telling me who for? I ask. Who are you with again, she says, peeking from behind the door so that I can only see her eyes. Labour, I say. OK yes, Labour, she says. Didn’t feel too confident with that one.

Acquaintance of mine works in polling stations, and tells me there's always a few who come in and say "ooh, I've no idea who to vote for!". And for every one of them there's probably about 20 who aren't saying it. Which is why I'm expecting Cons to launch some unanswerable-because-it-doesn't-make-any-sense bullshit on about Tuesday or Wednesday this week, so dumbwits like this will have something to cling onto in the polling booth.

this is a great tool
https://action.labour.org.uk/page/content/personal-manifesto/

Boris is a nonce #SaveTheNHS

— Jeremy Corbyn (@JackHenno_13) December 7, 2019

If you're going to get yrself banned from Twitter, make it count.

what a weird thing to say at 0:55 in this clip

Massive moment from Gordon Brown.

Jeremy Corbyn is correct. We were wrong about the neoliberal consensus. pic.twitter.com/ZUCK4d0BPV

— Tory Fibs (@ToryFibs) December 6, 2019

there was a good/poignant interview with gordon brown on the guardian around the time of indyref (maybe just after) but I can't find it. anyone remember it?

xxp it’s still up over 12 hours later!

It's passed the stringent twitter fact checking procedure

Huge turnout today for @HendonLabour. We are gonna #TurnHendonRed for that sweet, sweet transformative @UKLabour government 🔥🌹💪 pic.twitter.com/o347jribTx

— Simon Vessey (@Simon_Vessey) December 8, 2019

So I’ve just been informed I did a canvassing round with someone from Chumbawumba so I am a bit starstruck after the fact.

— Sinan Kose (@TheSinanKose) December 8, 2019

Like Chuwumbawumba, Jeremy Corbyn keeps getting knocked out, but he gets up again. They’re never gonna keep him down.

— Sebastian Payne (@SebastianEPayne) June 8, 2019

Mmmmm delicious

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELOJsMeWsAAVor5?format=jpg

Any Lib Dem supporter who persists on voting Lib Dem in that constituency should be hunted down and shot.

Yeah i know right, it's crazy!

The tactical voting stuff this year has been fantastic on Twitter and this morning i notice it's all over the papers in great detail.

The impact of attempting to correct these sources of error is as follows:

Polling average
Con +10%

Turnout modelled to GE 2017 across all polls
-1.6%

EU Ref demographic changes
-2.4%

Re-weighting 2017 DNV's/New voters:
-2.84%

Actual Con lead: 2.86%

END

— Dr Moderate (@centrist_phone) December 8, 2019

trust no threads

whatever your opinion on tactical voting as a practice (i don't think much of it at all, but concede in certain instances it might have its uses) the way it's been deployed this GE has been so nakedly dishonest and manipulative, it's gone beyond the '£350m for the nhs' bus shit
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Stan The Golden Boy
‏Verified account @tristandross
4h4 hours ago

i can't emphasise enough how it's basically asking labour voters to throw their vote away for a party they don't support, which will, in numerous cases, result in tory wins - in order to perpetuate these twin narratives of 'the lib dem fightback' and 'corbyn labour losses'
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Stan The Golden Boy
‏Verified account @tristandross
4h4 hours ago

fucking hate this sabermetrics 'moneyball'-applied-to-politics tactical vote conception of democracy as something that should only be cynically gamed, and not about giving a popular mandate to policy ideas. rotten shit that treats you as a metric to be maximised, not a person

lol sorry i dont know how to post

Agreed, this is why PR is better than FPTP - assuming it's legitimately PR

The dishonesty around tactical voting this election obviously serves the usual suspects and actually diminishes the Lib Dems's credibility when "we are poorly served by FPTP" is one of the few genuine arguments they have

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— Div (@askforcawmbyok) December 8, 2019

plax otm we are really flirting with death with tactical voting. But as long as it fucks the left that's ok.

I'm in a "sponsor a labour campaigner" fb group (where activists can be linked up with people who can't canvass but have funds to support their travel etc)... and it is so wholesome. have to say that (from what I remember from 2017) the activist/ground game feels a lot more substantial. I only have a very narrow window into it (via e.g. the couple hundred people I follow on twitter) but even then it feels markedly bigger

Fixed it. pic.twitter.com/8H8LPdxxEK

— Balcony Shirts (@balconyshirts) December 8, 2019

lol what a risible tool

Contemplating Rangers getting beat, get it up you

lol get fucked

😬 pic.twitter.com/4IBehi0XWT

— 🚩 The Election Leftorium 🗳️ (@LeftoriumThe) December 8, 2019

if IDS isn't doing good in their constituency polling then perhaps they might not like boris either

I am not sure at all that many Labour voters will sling a vote to the LibDems in most constituencies with the exception of some of the more affluent areas in or around London where the LDs might genuinely oust the Tory incumbent. Swinson has quite conspicuously failed to detoxify her party among most Labour voters.

He’s definitely rattled. He’s my local MP and he turned up on our doorstep last week. Never seen him before. He told us that If we voted Labour we would lose our house. Really weird conversation. Voting Labour of course pic.twitter.com/ByS5Qt9FD3

— Will Goring (@willgoring) December 1, 2019

I’ll feel ill if LDs undermine Emma Dent Coad out of her seat in Kensington because Sam Gyimah is such a schmuck.

god i would love it if IDS knocked on my door

https://timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/nosferatu.jpg

i want to see if he can do the levitating bolt upright thing irl