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The head of the Danish film critics association is using what Nate Silver is saying to advance the opinion that Sanders isn't doing well. That tweet (and others like it) are showing he is full of it. You were going about how Corbyn is pretty much the British Trump so I'd expect it would be difficult for you to keep up.

tbc maybe neither you nor fred should be opining on american politics bc this is some weak shit. nate thinking sanders isn't doing well (btw nate is a data scientist with one of the better track records in analyzing polling so maybe he doesn't have personal animus here?) should not become an excuse to try and discredit him, but even if it were (yr thinking here indicates really pathetic political inclinations but fine whatever) bringing in totally unrelated opinions as like "wow another howler" esp when you hardly understand the issue he's discussing (could you even find IA or NH on a map I wonder) is dumb af. you might've noticed everyone wondering why the discussion *you* brought up was relevant to this thread. that's bc they're all better educated on american politics than you, but you apparently think "lol nate is dumb he thinks iowa is white" is a discrediting opinion or something.

and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's. i have seen no indication that you have anything intelligible to say beyond rah-rahing for your own team which makes sense why unrelated nate comments would be inexcusable blunders in yr eyes bc for you it's all about prosecuting some narrow political inclination on a message board. just real poor shit from you and i already have low expectations so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm hesitant to rely on Nate Silver as an authority not because he has personal animus against Bernie (though he might) but because he's wrong a lot

he was still the most right mainstream pundit on the 2016 election tho

Howling @ "honestly feel like I have my hands clear here" fkn hell this is great fiction. And how many times have you thrown abuse around? It's no biggie for me, but you're hardly innocent. Take the heat back, or if you don't want to see it block me.

he was still the most right mainstream pundit on the 2016 election tho

the bar is extremely low

everyone was working with the same flawed polling data but he saw the flaws in it early and was warning about them for months. i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election. following nate was the only reason i wasn't shocked when the results came in.

Mordy yeah, but he's really constantly wrong whenever he doesn't have a big chart of data and three paragraphs of wonky methodological chitchat alongside him, i.e. whenever he acts as "pundit." he has really blatant center-right blinders that lead him to e.g. constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed, and in such cases the data falls away and it's a lot of vague and/or gabbnebby statements about which sectors of the electorate they're supposedly gonna unite, which is no better or worse than any other pundit.

hey can we please get this clusterfuck back on topic with an in-depth discussion of bernie's botox regime and whether he's succumbing to pressure to become 'smooth bernie' irl

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bernie-botox-736x475.jpg

"and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's."

This issue has been thoroughly discussed at every angle on ilx. Openly displaying your ignorance of those discussions to barge in like you did doesn't help your cause here.

bg otm, what that forehead do?!

"i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election."

So he was still wrong.

oh no someone has an opinion you don't like about a candidate you adore stfu dork

constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed

iirc (but you might've seen posts i haven't) the argument there was that in a general she'd be formidable bc she's a dem that has overperformed dem numbers in a swing/lean red state? not that she'd be a shoe in for the primary? but i'd be interested to see otherwise if i'm wrong.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7SK3-WoAYwbCg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

bizarro otm

this is the new rolling skincare thread

it'd be an improvement

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7UQAsXkAADBtx?format=jpg&name=medium

i just think it's sad that bernie is pivoting to running on his raw sexual appeal rather than policy, y'know

Just checked the first 538 draft back from 2017, and you know who idiot pundit Nate Silver picks with his first pick? BERNIE FREAKING SANDERS (senator of Vermont). I mean, what a centrist doofus, right?

if we made a "debatable value of data science in political reporting / Nate Silver dogpile / 538 generally" thread could we keep that shit in there

smoove b

if we made a "debatable value of data science in political reporting / Nate Silver dogpile / 538 generally" thread could we keep that shit in there

― Simon H., 6. december 2019 14:40 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

We could try, but I doubt it as long as xyzzz is on the board. But it's an important discussion.

Paying my respects to Data Science rn

Fred, can you read the thread title? Do you understand it?

Do you wonder at all why other posters are in here offering criticism of Bernie but you seem to be the one getting the blowback? It's because you are here to provoke.

The thing is, there's a thread for the primary. How about staying out of here and using that one instead.

marxists are into hardcore history?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/10/soto-j10.html

i mean i could dig back through a few hundred silver tweets and all their awful slack chat "snake draft" posts and everything else but i already feel embarrassed enough about reading those the first time. i stand by my conviction that silver is a lousy, centrist pundit but I recognize that this is not a post that will persuade anybody to co-sign that opinion.

U.S. Democratic contender Sanders proposes $150 billion for 'high-speed internet for all' https://t.co/TUHiq52Kyb pic.twitter.com/EwChE7R5Cp

— Reuters (@Reuters) December 6, 2019

Stealing policy from Labour 😂🤣

🔥🔥🔥@KillerMike on MSNBC:

"We need an alternative to the two choices we’ve been given. @BernieSanders is not starting the revolution—he’s continuing the revolution. It’s the same revolution that Dr. King fought, that the SCLC fought, that Eugene Debs and Lucy Parsons fought.” pic.twitter.com/EuNVv0xzdP

— Eric Blanc (@_ericblanc) December 9, 2019

chefkiss.jpg

Bernie Sanders' associations paint a pattern of proximity to antisemitism, which raises the question: Is it that he really doesn’t notice, that he’s willing to tolerate it, or that he somehow also supports it?https://t.co/yinzXFICmH

— The Federalist (@FDRLST) December 10, 2019

This all sounds familiar to me

been looking forward to it

I've been wondering whether they were going to try and import that idiocy to the US.

Very good op-ed by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/opinion/bernie-sanders-multiracial-workers.html

So this "proximity to anti-Semitism" means what exactly? And this proximity is discovered among Bernie's "associations"? And we are supposed to question why he "tolerates" this? Can criticism become any more attenuated than this?

Meanwhile, we currently have POTUS who eats kittens. Not literally, of course. He's more into taco bowls and KFC. But I think we all know what I meant.

We've seen this script before, but just want to point out that akm did complain about Sarsour being a surrogate back in September, and the main reaction on here was, and I paraphrase, 'nobody knows who she is'.

still accurate AFAIK

So far.

Sarsour adopting white supremacist rhetoric and blatantly lying about Israel — the realized, radical notion that Jews deserve a homeland like every other people

Stopped reading after this made my head hurt.

a homeland like every other people

The Kurds would like a word with you.

http://emersonpolling.com/2019/12/11/iowa-2020-warrens-support-drops-while-sanders-rises/

Another very interesting polling result at that link is the one showing the second choice of the supporters of each candidate. I was particularly fascinated by the second choices of Biden's voters. Also, it seems like Klobuchar, who is polling 10%, just behind Warren's 12%, is almost nobody's second choice.

Warren only 2 points ahead of Klobuchar, Christ that's sad. I should stop caring now shouldn't I. I would love for Bernie to get the nom but as for how that affects his personal prospects frankly we might as well just pillory him. But at least if you consider the Bernie/Warren support as a solid bloc then it still looks decent.

Another very interesting polling result at that link is the one showing the second choice of the supporters of each candidate.

Good to see Warren and Sanders supporters having each other's backs.

I've definitely started to ponder if Warren is dropping low enough that I may have to vote for Bernie instead. Not thrilled with this turn of events.

do it, do it, do it

We'll see. I guess what I'll say is that a scenario where either Warren or Sanders is far behind is maybe preferable to one where they're at parity and seriously cannibalizing each other's votes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/opinion/bernie-sanders-multiracial-workers.html?auth=login-facebook&login=facebook#commentsContainer

Mr. Sanders is the favorite candidate among black women aged 18 to 34. Only 49 percent of his supporters are white, compared with 71 percent of Warren supporters. Perhaps most surprising, more women under 45 support him than men under 45.

the white chauvinist berniebro is a myth. i support him because he discusses the working class as it is -- multiracial and encompassing all genders; overwhelmingly comprised of service and care workers,

I have until mid-May before I have to make a final choice. I'm pretty sure there will be a viable candidate remaining who I can stomach. My state makes so little difference to the outcome that it is never a nail-biter to decide how to vote anyway.