2020 Democratic presidential primary

I mean supporters

he'd be licking his lips if he thought any of them would win xxp

I do think being half-Indian made many black voters distrust Harris in a way that Obama being half-white wouldn't; put that on top of her record as a prosecutor (which, ACTUALLY, is not nearly as bad as has been painted) and there was a strong sense of "not really one of us" swirling around her public image that she never overcame.

I think, had Trump not been President, she would have very happily stayed in the Senate and continued to build a record that would have matched the progressive rhetoric she attempted to sell and people would have been much more amenable to her as a left-leaning establishment candidate in the same policy vein as Obama.

I do think being half-Indian made many black voters distrust Harris in a way that Obama being half-white wouldn't

Could you expand on what you mean by this?

There is a really stupid tug-of-war within the American black community about what it means to be black in America and who counts; probably the most visible iteration of it is tension between black Americans descended from slaves in the continental US and black people descended from (or simply from) the Caribbean Islands. Some vocal subsection of slave descendants claim others are not "really" African-Americans because they don't trace their lineage back to the same institutional slavery; Harris got some of this blowback pretty early on in her campaign by identifying with both her mother's heritage as well as her father's, as shown by the overreaction to that radio interview that people willfully misinterpreted to make it sound like she was faking black credentials by saying she listened to Tupac and Snoop in college, before they actually had any records out. (This seems trivial but apparently it was important enough of an issue for there to be a write-up in the Times about it: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/politics/kamala-harris-snoop-tupac.html)

So, this perceived disingenuousness combined with "is she really black?" nonsense combined with "Kamala is a cop" combined with a bad campaign = Harris never generates wide support within the black community for her campaign.

Oh, I see, so her mother being an immigrant could actually work against her in that community vs Obama's mother being a native-born American?

Correct. Also, white people mixing with black people is expected/understood; other pairings are *exotic* and there's a suspicion that the biracial person is de facto subsuming their blackness in favor of the other ethnicity due to the way America ranks non-white ethnicities.

Some of these gnarled politics also play out in Miami between black Americans, Afro-Cubans, and Cubans of Spanish descent (who of course have Moorish blood).

I should also point out that some of these suspicions floated around Obama, only once he started talking people were by and large so captivated that they burned away.

(Also, he's a man)

I just assumed it was the cop thing about her--didn't realize her mom's impact. I guess I wonder also if a lot of voters even know that about Harris' mom.

And the woman part matters too Dan?

I'd say it's naive to think it doesn't.

None of this is to say her campaign wasn't bad; it was! However, it wasn't worse than the dude literally putting chin-up videos on Twitter, who is somehow still in the race.

I guess I wonder also if a lot of voters even know that about Harris' mom.

It wasn't obscure knowledge, surely? It was among the first things I ever heard about her.

However, it wasn't worse than the dude literally putting chin-up videos on Twitter, who is somehow still in the race.

This just means that he's more deluded or has more money backing him, though, right? Not that he's more likely to win?

Google "Kamala Harris Indian" and you get back 56.3 million results

xp: well, he's more likely to win NOW

I'm only casually following the race at the moment, but I either had not heard that until just now or got that fact about her mixed up with Tulsi.

Her name is "Kamala"!

There's no way Delaney raised more money than Harris. He's not running to win, is the difference.

Running for President to promote your impending line of exercise videos is kind of weird, though

See also: most of the other remaining also-rans currently polling within the margin of error xp

Although to undercut my own point, I don't think Tulsi Gabbard any actual South Asian heritage but just has a Hindu religious background on her mother's side? 3xp

Gabbard was born on April 12, 1981, in Leloaloa, Maoputasi County, on American Samoa's main island of Tutuila.[15][16] She was the fourth of five children born to Mike Gabbard and his wife Carol (née Porter) Gabbard.[17] Her father is of Samoan and European ancestry. Her mother was born in Indiana and grew up in Michigan.[18] In 1983, when Gabbard was two years old, her family moved to Hawaii.

Some candidates spray whipped cream in a kneeling volunteer's mouth and remain in the race! xp

I just googled this and omg lol

I was gonna post it here but am trying to resist my thread derailing skills

I hope you're talking about Klobuchar and there aren't two underling-abusing freaks in the race xp

.⁦@AndrewYang⁩ ended his Manchester office opening by celebrating with whipped cream pic.twitter.com/Ud8byTiFn4

— Christopher Donato (@chrisdonato04) December 3, 2019

There's no way Delaney raised more money than Harris. He's not running to win, is the difference.

― Simon H., Wednesday, December 4, 2019 11:37 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Delaney is also the 3rd-richest person in the race after Bloomberg and Steyer.

Fits.

Harris candidacy seemed to make sense back when everyone was in denial that Biden would join the race, or thought that he'd be me-tooed out of it the second he joined.

Google "Kamala Harris Indian" and you get back 56.3 million results

sorry, pet peeve: google "Kamala Harris Indian" with quotes and you get 1,720 results. google Kamala Harris Indian without quotes and you get 53 million results.
google "Kamala Harris French" with quotes and you get 30 results. google Kamala Harris French without quotes and you get 49 million results.

If I wanted you to google with quotes, I would have typed "'Kamala Harris Indian'"

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0613/18/creem-magazine-november-1971-crumb_1_311a7867f718874937e891d8b194101d.jpg

quotes within quotes are hard for old man zs to read

About 217,000,000 results (0.73 seconds)

Her name is "Kamala"!

To 90% of white people "Kamala" just reads as "a black lady name."

If I wanted you to google with quotes, I would have typed "'Kamala Harris Indian'"

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:02 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is why I tend to use brackets to refer to Google search queries. <Kamala Harris Indian> vs. <"Kamala Harris Indian">.

I was going to do italics but then thought "well, people will know it's a quote so CARPE DIEM"

i remember reading a tweet a couple of years ago by an african american guy about how kamala harris identified as indian-american and "wasn't really black" but i didn't realize this was a whole phenomenon.

sorry, my point was lost - it's pointless to cite the google search results for Kamala Harris Indian

To 90% of white people "Kamala" just reads as "a black lady name."

OTM

Whipped cream pouring like waterfalls!

shit I either didn't realize or just totally forgot that I am older than Tulsi. she comes across at least a decade older than Mayo Pete, which speaks more ill of him than well of her.

...post 1960s black lady name, unless you've been to Phuket, Thailand. I could easily believe it was the original name of Kampala, Uganda.

xp Really? For me it's the opposite & Buttigieg seems 10 years older than he actually is. Maybe Gabbard's desire to tear down the establishment vs. Buttigieg's desperate mission to emulate the worst parts of the establishment is influencing how I see them.

Is "Kamala" a common African-American name? It's (also?) a Hindi name, derived from a Hindu goddess. I'd no idea it was common for people without a Hindu background. Kamala Nehru is probably my first association with it.

https://nameberry.com/babyname/Kamala
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala#Given_name

i think it just codes as "other" to a lotta white folks which is close enough

I would have assumed South Asian of some kind, whether Indian or other. In the comics, the current Ms. Marvel is Kamala Khan, a Pakistani immigrant.

Is "Kamala" a common African-American name?

Not at all. But to a middle-aged white American ear, it just sounds "black" like Tonisha, or something. Which I want to be clear is entirely down to the narrow life experiences of the listener.

uh don't forget this dude
https://i.imgur.com/UushyvB.jpg