Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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Try not to believe them either but the Tories just aren't moving in any of the polls - which is largely down to the Lib Dems, BXP and SNP making no real inroads into their vote.

― I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

I will leave SNP aside but I think the BXP, just by standing in Lab heartlands, could be the difference -- as well as canvassing efforts on Lab -- to keeping the vote up in the North. Some seats will go blue but Labour could make up for it in the South.

Despite the garbage campaign LDs are making inroads into the Tory vote. There is enough constituency polling to suggest that and I reckon they will hold their seats and gain the odd one...but their impact will be chaotic.

I think tactical voting will: 1) Def be used by many like never before and 2) be used in a shambolic way (this is based partly on what LJ was coming up with yesterday but also some convos with ppl I work with), ppl could use the wrong site or wrong bits of info so that could mean the Tories actually, by a set of clownish ways, ending up with a small majority as more middle class ppl vote LD to stop Brexit but end up enabling a Tory hard Brexit.

What can counter a lot of this is Lab's huge ground canvassing game but I would not at all be surprised if it isn't quite enough.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 11:35 (six years ago)

Well yeah, we need clear minds. It should have been stressed from the outset that anti-Brexit tactical voting shouldn't be about each party's Brexit policy but about organising all non-Tory-voters behind the likeliest toppler. In a few seats there has been confusion about who that might be, which is why, I suppose, 'it's Labour' in every case* isn't a bad messaging policy. LD numbers tanking seems to reflect that this is happening to an extent

*except a really obvious few ;)

imago, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 11:59 (six years ago)

how come we never hear from the 40% that voted for labour in 2017

These lifelong Labour voters did vote Labour 2017, and this is the first election they won't be voting Labour

Of course we will meet again in the future, and they will be lifelong Labour voters did vote Labour 2019 but for the first time won't be voting Labour in 202x

anvil, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:00 (six years ago)

If I ever get vox popped I'm saying I'm a lifelong Tory voter but

plax (ico), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:03 (six years ago)

(considers the joy of doing this vs the horror of my face going out on the news saying I'm a Tory)

(remembers the reason I've never volunteered to go canvassing etc is that as a deeply ugly/weird/uncharasmatic person I suspect everyone would take one look at me and immediately decide to do the opposite of whatever I've said)

(lightbulb, taps head, smiles, etc)

a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:06 (six years ago)

Lifelong BXP voter but.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:07 (six years ago)

*poshest voice possible* Labour are the natural party of government

imago, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:14 (six years ago)

fair fucks to jolyon swinson subjecting herself to andrew neil tbh. really shows up the cowardice of boris johnson

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:55 (six years ago)

suspect a lot of publications are about to show their arses in a similar manner

Our general election 2019 Leader. Why Britain deserves better — and why we won't endorse any party. https://t.co/IjPUi7LFqh

— New Statesman (@NewStatesman) December 4, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:30 (six years ago)

A giant message has appeared on a Somerset slag heap declaring 'Get Mogg Out'.#GetMoggOut https://t.co/qF86CdYdg8

— James Melville (@JamesMelville) December 4, 2019

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:31 (six years ago)

That’s probably the best you could expect from Jason Cowley tbh

gyac, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:33 (six years ago)

profiles in courage: new statesman edition

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:38 (six years ago)

I don't even own a party endorsement.

nashwan, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:47 (six years ago)

There are many fine parliamentarians from all parties – Luciana Berger, Joanna Cherry, Jess Phillips, Rosie Duffield, Jim McMahon, Dan Jarvis, Sarah Wollaston, Rachel Reeves, to name only a few – whose fortitude and resilience are admirable. And this at a time when MPs, especially women, are subjected to the most appalling intimidation and abuse


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

gyac, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:59 (six years ago)

he doesn't even know how to spell disreputable scumbags.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

lol at JANKY CRONUT WHY WON'T U WATCH THE QUEEN'S SPEECH ON XMAS DAY being the new line of attack

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:07 (six years ago)

Because she shelters nonces, next q

More than 93,000 suspected violent criminals and sex offenders have been released without restrictions by police in England and Wales since 2017, figures obtained by Newsnight show.#Newsnight | @JamesClayton5https://t.co/ekvIrwOoRe

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) December 3, 2019

For how much longer do we tolerate trashed purdah? (wins), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:08 (six years ago)

jezza got rumbled...

But today Corbyn hasn’t had such a good outing on royal family territory. In an interview with ITV’s Julia Etchingham he was asked if he watched the Queen’s speech on Christmas day. He said that he normally did, although the full exchange suggests otherwise.

ITV has sent out the transcript of the exchange.

JE: Talk to us a bit about Christmas in the Corbyn household. Do you sit down to watch the Queen’s speech? Mr Corbyn.

JC: It’s on the morning, usually we have it on .. some of the time.

JE: It’s not on in the morning .. it’s at three o’clock in the afternoon

JC: It’s when its repeated .. in the afternoon

JE: So you don’t sit down, as a family, to watch the Queen speech.

JC: We don’t watch television very much on Christmas Day. Maybe a film in the evening. Erm I’d like to do a bit of exercise on Christmas morning

JE: You do some exercise on Christmas morning. I don’t think the Queen’s speech is in the morning. It’s three o’clock in the afternoon. That’s when everybody watches it.

JC: Well. Our Christmas is sometimes ...

JE: You don’t watch it do you Mr Corbyn?

JC: There is lots .. lots to do .. I enjoy the presence of my family and friends around Christmas. Obviously, like everybody else does. And, I also visit the homeless shelter, either on Christmas Day, or the day before, to talk to, and listen to people’s lives, about how they could be made better with a government that cared for them.

It’s not quite Frost/Nixon, although Corbyn would probably have been better off just saying he caught up with the Queen’s speech through the news (if at all), like most of the population.

Wee Bloabby (NickB), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:10 (six years ago)

So I spoke with Jo Swinson this morning. https://t.co/8bkJErxTyc

— Benny 🦁Hunter (@BennnyH) December 4, 2019

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:12 (six years ago)

she's so fucking bad at this

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:17 (six years ago)

what's wrong with "what kind of senile old spanner watches the Queen's fucking speech?"

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:21 (six years ago)

Pretty good odds that the people who actually give a fuck won't be voting for him anyway

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:24 (six years ago)

mr corbyn don't you think that the time you waste with your family or volunteering at a local homeless shelter on xmas day would be better spent in blank-faced supplication before the televised image of our queen

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:25 (six years ago)

"I am pissed off my face on Snowballs and sleeping in front of a Disney movie by 3 o'clock on Christmas Day"

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:27 (six years ago)

meanwhile, in international scumbag news

https://hungarytoday.hu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/DSZZS20191203220.jpg

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:38 (six years ago)

had to look that up from the image URL, but jfc

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:40 (six years ago)

can't believe professor x is fash now, smdh

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:40 (six years ago)

i was gonna do the old "fascist monster with blood on his hands meets Viktor Orbán" riff but it's such a beautiful picture

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:43 (six years ago)

For the sake of overseas readers I think we should make clear that wacthing the Queen's Speech on television at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on Christmas Day is not normal behaviour in the UK.

fetter, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:49 (six years ago)

is that Scruton in the wheelchair?

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:51 (six years ago)

the hits just keep coming

Boris Johnson made claims that children of working mothers in low-income families were “unloved and undisciplined” and more likely to “mug you on the street corner”, it has emerged.

In a 2006 collection of journalism, entitled Have I Got Views for You, Johnson bemoaned the increasing tendency of women to work, saying they had been “socially gestapoed into the workplace”.

“In the last 30 years an ever-growing proportion of British women have been ‘incentivised’ or socially gestapoed into the workplace, on what seems to me to be the dubious assumption that the harder a woman works the happier she will be, when I am not sure that is true of women or anyone else,” he wrote.

In the book, published before he became mayor of London, Johnson said an increasing number of female graduates tended to pair up with male graduates – a process known by economists as “assortative mating” – and that they then pool their advantages.

“The result is that in families on lower incomes the women have absolutely no choice but to work, often with adverse consequences for family life and society as a whole – in that unloved and undisciplined children are more likely to become hoodies, Neets [not in education, employment or training] and mug you on the street corner.”

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:51 (six years ago)

what are some of the low-key non-fanfare labour policies that people are excited about ?

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:51 (six years ago)

xxp

it is, getting some kind of award for inspiring Orbán to hate Muslims

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:55 (six years ago)

Although he likes to see himself as a think outside the box conservative academic, he's looking like he needs to start thinking about getting a box measured for him in that pic!

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:58 (six years ago)

reassuring!

I asked Boris Johnson if he had made crystal clear to Donald Trump that the NHS and pharmaceuticals should not be part of trade talks. He didn’t answer, gave a three-minute stump speech about Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn, and ended the press conference... pic.twitter.com/c2vjhmlwYe

— Benjamin Kentish (@BenKentish) December 4, 2019

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:04 (six years ago)

(xp) Who is that?

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

sir Roger Scruton

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:08 (six years ago)

Jesus Christ, what happened to him?

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:09 (six years ago)

The Big C for a big c?

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

he's started vaping crystal meth recently

calzino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

Bit late Sadiq

“It’s heartbreaking to think the leader of a great country like the USA is clearly a racist.”@SadiqKhan calls out @realDonaldTrump during his visit to London. #NATOmeeting pic.twitter.com/mMckJgvNuV

— PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) December 4, 2019

gyac, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:22 (six years ago)

oh noes, an openly racist american president, unthinkable

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:29 (six years ago)

JE: You don’t watch it do you Mr Corbyn?

This had me lolling. And it made me look up how much support there is for the monarchy in the UK. Then I stopped lolling :(

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

just one of the many factors that makes us such as profoundly disappointing nation

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:31 (six years ago)

As a subordinate of the Orange Kingdom I feel you in this regard.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:33 (six years ago)

absolute state of this prick:

Former Labour minister Ivan Lewis urges people to vote Tory to keep Corbyn out of No 10

The former Labour minister Ivan Lewis, who resigned from the party last year criticising Jeremy Corbyn’s handling of antisemitism, is now urging people in his constituency to vote Conservative. At the time he resigned Lewis had been suspended from the party over sexual harassment allegations, but he claimed the investigation was being prolonged for political reasons.

Lewis is standing as an independent candidate in Bury South, where he had a majority of almost 6,000 over the Tories in 2017. But now he says people should vote for his Tory opponent because he thinks the priority is for Corbyn to lose.

In a post on Facebook he said:

I say to my Labour friends, Corbyn’s Labour party is not the Labour party of our parents and grandparents. It is unreasonable of me to expect you all to leave the party because of antisemitism. But it is unreasonable of you to admit there is a serious antisemitism problem in the party then expect me to join you in the mantra ‘but the most important thing is we have a Labour government’. Imagine if this institutionalised racism was against any other minority community ...

At this election, the future of our country is on the line like never before. The only way to stop Corbyn in Bury South is to vote Conservative. This is not a decision I have taken lightly but I believe it to be in the best interests of the constituency and the country.

Wee Bloabby (NickB), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:34 (six years ago)

I've said it before but having to swear fealty to the Queen of the United Kingdom in order to become a Canadian citizen is even more absurd and humiliating, especially when you live in Quebec.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

Huge uptick in Tribune subscriptions today, eh?

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:36 (six years ago)

have any other parties’ activists been assaulted ?

Heartbroken to hear from one of my volunteers who has been assaulted today, in broad daylight, while delivering leaflets. I'm grateful to @CheshirePolice who are dealing with it, and I hope candidates and supporters of all parties will join me in condemning this act of cowardice.

— Charlotte Nichols (@charlotte2153) December 4, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:39 (six years ago)

Corbyn literally made jam for the Queen so if he said he watched the Queen's Speech tbh I'd believe him. I doubt Christmas is much fun in the Corbyn household tbh.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:42 (six years ago)


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