Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

wonder if ed mili will be made environment minister (again) when we win. post should be one of the great positions of state under the next govt

I’ve always reckoned on Hairy Bikers (and their matching Ché Guevara tats) being old school Labour.

Fair and balanced:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/04/bbc-impartiality-precious-protect-election-coverage

This is why ye need to follow his Instagram for this kind of content!

Pfff xp

GEs not good for the MH lads. wildly swinging between spikes of hope and dread several times of day. lovely stuff

huge cosine on this post, alas

^

after the PIP talk yesterday I've been imagining scenarios post-Boris victory where they decide my wife has been terminally ill for too long so she must be fine now and cancel her PIP and take our car away

at least the election is the same day as my work xmas party so chances are I'll be too drunk to stay up ridiculously late watching the results come in

that BBC article is so disingenuous, and I note they left the comments off on that

I’m really undecided and yeah it’s fucking with my mh as well too. The 12th is going to be awful

Until surpassed by the 13th.

... Friday ffs.

big slagheap energy

https://i2-prod.somersetlive.co.uk/incoming/article3604856.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_EKnB_nAXYAEVkPo.jpg

A giant sign has appeared on a slag heap in Midsomer Norton which declares: 'Get Mogg Out'.

The sign appeared at the end of last week and appears to reflect the sentiment among some constituents towards the divisive character.

It is not yet known who is the behind this creation which sits atop the mound of waste soil.

Mr Boraston tweeted the photo and confirmed in another tweet that he was not behind messgae.

The picture has since been shared on Facebook in a number of local community groups - and the reaction in one Peasedown St John group has been mixed.

Josh Collins said: "Desperate times.. probably the Lib Dem’s. Their tactics are embarrassing! With their fake polls, constant lies and rubbish through the door! Everyone vote mogg to stay!"

Clive Parfitt said: "These people need to get jobs, way to much time on their hands."

John Davies said: "He'll be getting my vote."

CP OTM, that BBC article is terrible: disingenuous, complacent and grossly patronising.

in other words, perfectly of a piece with the bbc's election coverage to date

GEs not good for the MH lads. wildly swinging between spikes of hope and dread several times of day. lovely stuff

Def feeling this. Have been mostly positive until today and yesterday, but the swing between the two isn't based on anything (tho hmm idk I saw 2 mins of Owen Jones in Ashfield that prob didn't help). I'm sure it will swing back the other way

I don't believe in any polls regardless of whether positive or negative

Try not to believe them either but the Tories just aren't moving in any of the polls - which is largely down to the Lib Dems, BXP and SNP making no real inroads into their vote.

Down to the Labour Party to do so.

I don't disbelieve them either, but I don't pay any attention to them regardless and think its a mistake to take any optimism (or pessimism) from some change or other. Surprised we're still giving then so much credence

I mean I neither believe nor disbelieve, confusingly written!

The Ruth Davidson balloon has at least been burst, it was a rise/revival of hardcore Unionism that got Tories elected in Scotland, not her.

CON vote has a floor of 40%. LAB’s task is to GOTV to get over 40%

What is MH ?

BBC:

"We’re as disappointed as our audiences that the prime minister, unlike all his fellow leaders, has not yet confirmed a date for his Andrew Neil interview. The logistics of pinning down party leaders is highly complex; if we had to wait for confirmation of the date and time of every interview by every party before anyone appeared anywhere, hardly anything would get on air. But let’s be clear: we’ll clear our schedules and we’re ready at any time, and any place, for a half-hour interview in which Neil scrutinises Boris Johnson."

In other words, it won't happen, and you lied to the other party leaders, and are unashamed of this.

MH = Mental Health

xxp

I thought Ruthie can electrify a room with her presence or something, meh not even a qualified spark!

Some Extinction Rebellion protesters - dressed as bees - have ambushed Jo Swinson’s battle bus in Streatham, S London. This man has glued himself to the windscreen. And yes, it is the electric bus. pic.twitter.com/R7H74X1j6A

— Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) December 4, 2019

that BBC article is so disingenuous, and I note they left the comments off on that

Don't you worry, your reaction is proof positive that they're doing something right!

Yeah speaking of mental health I bailed after a couple of paragraphs of that BBC bullshit to preserve mine

"the divisive character", "the mound of waste soil" - that whole slagheap story is a prime example of the "popular orange vegetable" style of journalism.

Hi ZZ!

Australian healthcare may be shitty in many respects but I'm not so sure it's worse than the NHS.

I know nothing about the system but I do know that Australian friends went back to Oz after they both got chronic illnesses, partly for warmer climate and being closer to family, but they thought the healthcare system would work better for them too (the wife has a serious condition that the NHS misdiagnosed for ages while it did a lot of organ damage, and they've both worked in a separate area of the NHS for many years, btw)

however my opinion remains that:
1. the NHS is bloody good or at least used to be when we funded it better and I would like to keep it, thank you
2. definitely do not want to let the Tories import their idea of what any other country's healthcare system might be like, nope nope nope

(also given what little I know of Australian politics I do not trust the idea of importing anything politics-adjacent from there, but that's just some kneejerk ignorance there really, I admit)

the NHS is definitely not good and I wish people would stop saying it is tbh. that doesn't mean I want to get rid of it - I want it fixed. pretending the NHS is this fantastic service makes it easier to claim it doesn't need any more funding than it currently gets because there's nothing wrong with it

a valid point and I will concede that I am lucky enough to have had not much to do with it for a decade so definitely rose-tinted etc. sorry CP, will think about better ways to phrase it in future

(and tbf it was v frustrating to deal with 15-18 years ago when I did spend a lot of time seeing the GP and being stuck on some very long waiting lists, which I know will be a hell of a lot worse now)

also everyone else OTM about that BBC story (ugh) and about GE-induced MH. so, so tired

though just existing in rainy fascist Brexity Borisland will be constantly tiring too, please let Mr Cordbean in to save me from the tiredness

(god knows what the right and our lovely press would serve up day after day to keep our exhaustion levels up in that scenario but it's still the only hope left)

Sorry didn't mean to have a go, kneejerk reaction, I know you meant well

so. many. brainworms.

“For Brexit to happen, it will be a disaster for the very, very wealthy people. Not for the likes of us.”

This small sample of people in Birmingham voted to leave the EU in 2016 and for Labour in 2017. But how will they vote this time? pic.twitter.com/9lBDScBRrS

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) December 3, 2019

xp nono, it was a fair point, good to think about! no problem at all

1 edelman did similar focus groups during 2017 with similar results. all birmingham LAB MPs returned with bigger majorities

2 birmingham is one of the most diverse parts of the country. look at that panel

papers and telly chatting so much shit about lifelong labour voters in this election. how come we never hear from the 40% that voted for labour in 2017 ? hmmmm

i saw that c4 piece live yesterday and was awestruck by how successfully people have been misled over so much

well, yeah

If you've never worked at the BBC... this is a classic management brush-off. The solution to the BBC's gross failure over the Johnson/Neil interview is clear. Neil should spend half an hour putting questions to an empty chair - or @franunsworth should resign. pic.twitter.com/3FT2HTSsx0

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) December 4, 2019

from the comments to that david graeber video posted yesterday, here's what can only be a very convincing deepfake of corbyn espousing solidarity with jewish people, black people and the irish

@ToryFibs

Jaw dropping.

17 year old video comes to light that settles Jeremy Corbyn’s record on antisemitism once and for all. You might want to sit down for this one.pic.twitter.com/ItifansFiV

— Kelvin Bishop (@KelvinBSP) December 4, 2019

Try not to believe them either but the Tories just aren't moving in any of the polls - which is largely down to the Lib Dems, BXP and SNP making no real inroads into their vote.

― I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

I will leave SNP aside but I think the BXP, just by standing in Lab heartlands, could be the difference -- as well as canvassing efforts on Lab -- to keeping the vote up in the North. Some seats will go blue but Labour could make up for it in the South.

Despite the garbage campaign LDs are making inroads into the Tory vote. There is enough constituency polling to suggest that and I reckon they will hold their seats and gain the odd one...but their impact will be chaotic.

I think tactical voting will: 1) Def be used by many like never before and 2) be used in a shambolic way (this is based partly on what LJ was coming up with yesterday but also some convos with ppl I work with), ppl could use the wrong site or wrong bits of info so that could mean the Tories actually, by a set of clownish ways, ending up with a small majority as more middle class ppl vote LD to stop Brexit but end up enabling a Tory hard Brexit.

What can counter a lot of this is Lab's huge ground canvassing game but I would not at all be surprised if it isn't quite enough.

Well yeah, we need clear minds. It should have been stressed from the outset that anti-Brexit tactical voting shouldn't be about each party's Brexit policy but about organising all non-Tory-voters behind the likeliest toppler. In a few seats there has been confusion about who that might be, which is why, I suppose, 'it's Labour' in every case* isn't a bad messaging policy. LD numbers tanking seems to reflect that this is happening to an extent

*except a really obvious few ;)

how come we never hear from the 40% that voted for labour in 2017

These lifelong Labour voters did vote Labour 2017, and this is the first election they won't be voting Labour

Of course we will meet again in the future, and they will be lifelong Labour voters did vote Labour 2019 but for the first time won't be voting Labour in 202x

If I ever get vox popped I'm saying I'm a lifelong Tory voter but

(considers the joy of doing this vs the horror of my face going out on the news saying I'm a Tory)

(remembers the reason I've never volunteered to go canvassing etc is that as a deeply ugly/weird/uncharasmatic person I suspect everyone would take one look at me and immediately decide to do the opposite of whatever I've said)

(lightbulb, taps head, smiles, etc)

Lifelong BXP voter but.

*poshest voice possible* Labour are the natural party of government

fair fucks to jolyon swinson subjecting herself to andrew neil tbh. really shows up the cowardice of boris johnson

suspect a lot of publications are about to show their arses in a similar manner

Our general election 2019 Leader. Why Britain deserves better — and why we won't endorse any party. https://t.co/IjPUi7LFqh

— New Statesman (@NewStatesman) December 4, 2019

A giant message has appeared on a Somerset slag heap declaring 'Get Mogg Out'.#GetMoggOut https://t.co/qF86CdYdg8

— James Melville (@JamesMelville) December 4, 2019