2020 Democratic presidential primary

I’m afraid the Morning Joe Mindset may be terminal

Will be interesting to see where Harris supporters go, Biden or maybe Pete would seem like the ideological bet but a lot of these second choice polls I’m seeing are resistant to ideology, could actually see Warren picking up Adair amount of her support

A fair not Adair haha

Biden or maybe Pete would seem like the ideological bet

lol no

deray mckesson seems to think she might get the VP nod from somebody - but she can't carry a state, so I don't see that happening.

Why lol no? Harris never won over lefties.

Because the people supporting Harris were largely centrists who were actively repulsed by Biden and Buttigieg

KHive folks will tend to lose interest altogether or go to Warren is my guess

I think it's way more likely they will end-around those two entirely and land on Warren/Sanders

Harris never won over lefties.

yeah I'm p bitter about how effectively the "left" crushed her right out of the gate

But her polling with black voters badly lagged Biden throughout her campaign and I strongly doubt that was due to left wing Twitter.

what vp pick *can* carry a state?

yeah that's a different dynamic, but it was left-wing Twitter (for lack of a better term) that made it impossible for her to even last through the first primary, much less South Carolina, where she could conceivably have benefited from Biden tanking. I'm convinced that was her long-term strategy.

xp

yeah I'm p bitter about how effectively the "left" crushed her right out of the gate

her decision to run as a progressive when there wasn't much in her record to back it up was the problem, not Twitter snarking

she tacked hard to the left once she got to the Senate, but she's only been there two years and in the minority so yeah that's a thin record. And that enabled people to paint her as not a "true" lefty (an argument I hate, I'm sure we don't need to go over this again...)

She wasn’t pure enough for the left.

ugh

Tulsi single-handedly destroyed Kamala's entire campaign, lol. Epic

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) December 3, 2019

(xposts) neither of those things were helping. But the amount of "she's a cop" shit I saw from people on the left was annoying. I had to politely remind people that being a lawyer is not the same as being a cop. Yeah I know it's metaphor. It's a stupid metaphor.

I fuckin hate Tulsi but that really was where things started to go badly off the rails iirc xp

Mostly the only fault that exist for this kind of very online leftist is to not be Sanders. Only Warren have the credentials to survive that kind of criticism, and heck lol even transitioning into single payer over three years isn’t enough for them.

Given how her numbers are moving, I don't think it's just hardcore Bernie folks who got spooked by that pivot.

I’m not describing the moderate’s reaction here.

Tammy Duckworth Baldwin shoulda run

I’m not describing the moderate’s reaction here.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:17 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

but the moderates are also moving away from her to mayor pete aren't they?

in fact that was probably where that pivot came from in the first place?

and heck lol even transitioning into single payer over three years isn’t enough for them.

I do think its gross that the billionaire joke candidates are still in

I knew Warren's M4A stance (despite it probably being the realistic approach) was going to piss people off. People don't like realistic.

it's not realistic, though!

or at least not any more realistic than Sanders'

sanders is the realism candidate

no realism possible without winning the Senate.

yeah Simon H otm.

here’s how I feel about it: if the GOP’s baseline can be “life begins at conception” and “no taxes on the rich/ corporation EVAR” — two broadly unpopular positions—and still win elections AND bend the “balls & strikes” MSM to their will, then for a Democratic Party and it’s eventual standard bearer to not fully embrace M4A is basically malpractice imho.

I agree that sanders is more realistic in his descriptions of the problems we face and his proposed remedies would do more to remedy them than those of other candidates. Only a massive groundswell behind him could carry those remedies into place, but -hey- anything worth doing is bound to be hard. imo, Warren is next-most realistic by these measures.

Biden is easily the most realistic choice in terms of him getting his agenda passed by Congress and signed into law - because Biden doesn't have any agenda.

Today in Buttigieg cancellation ...

pic.twitter.com/VcW5YPKAoS

— Jon Spurny (@MrJonSpurny) December 3, 2019

okay lol

don't get that one

I do think its gross that the billionaire joke candidates are still in

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:33 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

And grosser still is the notion that there ain’t substantial differences between Harris and those joke candidates.

uh there are two substantial differences

don't get that one

me neither, unless it's a reference to the Salvation Army's record of homophobia?

^^^

I admit I only knew that one cause a close friend of mine grew up in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army#Controversy

In November 2013 it was made known that the Salvation Army was referring LGBT individuals to one of several conversion therapy groups.[167] As a response, the Salvation Army removed links to the conversion groups from their website.[168]

In 2016, The Salvation Army withdrew support for an Australian safe schools program that focused on LGBT students,[153] stating that "the provision of a government approved anti-bullying program needs to consider all high risk student groups."[169]

Is it better or worse than having worked for McKinsey?

the amount of bellyaching over harris is genuinely dizzying. I agree she tacked hard to the left once she had a safe senate seat and presumably she would have been more reliable than her record might indicate, but there were other, better choices on issues of criminal justice reform and she doesn’t get special points for finding religion later

she tacked hard to the left once she got to the Senate, but she's only been there two years and in the minority so yeah that's a thin record. And that enabled people to paint her as not a "true" lefty

How dare people use the available evidence of her political ideology against her, the absolute nerve.

xxp at least McKinsey paid him.

she also campaigned badly, evidently under the management of warring factions of nincompoops, so, like

I mean one argument is that she got an unfair shake, and that might be reasonable. but she wasn’t the only one running. you need to have some basis of comparison and there were simply better options. idk man