Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

what's the point of andrew marr

omg there is so much relentless repeating of out-and-out lied that have been "fact-checked" until the cows come home elsewhere but are not challenged when repeated here it is quite frustrating.

should’ve got jeremy kyle to do this with his lie detector tbh

could have used a few shock paternity reveals as well tbh

I'm enjoying music too much rn to interrupt it to watch that spineless sycophant who would be out of a job if the bbc political dept had any integrity or self respect.

i don't know why i'm watching this its basically nothing

marr totally let him slide after reading boris back some of his blatantly islamophobia shite, fucking shameful

I don't see the point, his core agrees with him on most of this stuff and Brexiteers wouldn't care if he was a child molester. Four years of handwringing about Trump's character has done fuck all damage to him either. Policy policy policy.

Yes and no - policy matters a lot but one of the key thought processes that goes through people's minds when they choose not to vote for someone is "they hate people like me". That's as true for Corbyn as it is for Johnson and my feeling is that the latter is going to do badly with working-class female voters (not to mention Muslims and black people but we all knew that anyway).

It doesn't hurt to pile this stuff up - as much as we might want it to be about a groundswell of enthusiasm for Labour's programme, this election is going to hinge over whether the electorate in key places decides that Johnson is more toxic than Corbyn. That means dissuading enough voters in the Midlands and parts of the North from switching from red to blue (policy plays a huge part here too), persuading enough Southern voters to switch from the Tories to the LibDems in key seats, and dissuading would-be LibDems in Labour marginals than Johnson is too big a risk.

It does appear that focusing on Corbyn's personality and past dodgy statements are working better for the Tories and their enablers this time round than they were in 2017. By all means keep talking about policy (particularly the holes in Johnson's Brexit policy) but there has to be a fightback on the personal level as well.

TLDR - there are clearly a lot of people who will vote for Johnson regardless of what he does, but there are also a lot of people who won't, and the key to avoiding disaster is to ensure those voters are peeled away from the Tories from as many angles as possible.

Came in about halfway through to find Johnson, following the Tories now standard interview procedure, of relentlessly talking over the interviewer so reducing everything to a kind of aural mush. Marr meanhwile was reduced to whimperingly pleading with him to allow him to ask the next question and had olainly been so unable to control the cunt that he was forced to cram about a dozen questions into the last 5 minutes, obviously ticking them off as he went along. Horrible all round.

We're reaching the stage now where interviewing Tory ministers is almost as waste of time - which is obviously their goal.

reading other people's summaries of how terribly Boris "answered questions" and how spineless Marr was>>>>actually watching that shite.

... my fingers aren't working this morning.

Good morning, John. I wonder if you could take a look at the use of what I think is an alt-Right trope: 'cheerleader for Soros'. From your researches into antisemitism, can you say that insult is part of the Steve Bannon, Victor Orban rhetoric? Thanks @LordJohnMann

— Michael Rosen (@MichaelRosenYes) December 1, 2019

one of my favourite new things is seeing if our anti-Semiticism tsar ever replies to genuine Micheal Rosen questions that ought to concern him rather than doing blanket retweets of dodgy Rachel Riley posts.

If Corbyn gets in, it’ll be great to see Mann, Woodcock and Austin all booted and replaced with people who are actually Jewish, Turkish and Israeli and not just factional shithousers.

yeah, rosen’s been great

LOL @ Johnson's approach of claiming the Conservative Party he leads is an entirely different animal from Conservative governments of the last 10 years while holding the Labour Party Corbyn leads resposnsible for the actions of the Labour Party of Blair/Brown.

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I don't see the point, his core agrees with him on most of this stuff and Brexiteers wouldn't care if he was a child molester. Four years of handwringing about Trump's character has done fuck all damage to him either. Policy policy policy.

I'm generally a policy policy policy person over personal character stuff but agree with Matt DC here. We're still in a super early stage of Boris time and while some things like the letterbox comments are well known, a lot aren't. "Fuck the 7/7 families"? I had never heard of this until the other day. Quite a few things that have come out about Boris I'd never heard of before. There's a weird undercurrent in Britain too where we "don't deserve" good policies due to deference and hatred of the pope. So character stuff is important but it has to be what Matt DC says, centred all around "they hate people like me"

Marr won't make a difference because Neil is a boss and Marr is a weasel that makes peoples skin crawl before he's even said anything. The fact that Tesco value ham sandwich Marr has been able to find employment of any kind just doesn't add up.

Speaking of Rachel Riley, I notice celeb countdown has been quietly dropped from the schedule after two episodes.

Caught / could only bear 2 minutes of Boris talking and it seemed to come down to 'vote for us and we'll fix all the stuff that broke when we didn't keep the last lot of promises we made. And Corbyn is worse, based on no evidence'

I caught about 30 secs of that hellish thing while channel surfing one night .. yeesh

LOL @ Johnson keenness to distinguish the Conservative Party he leads from the Conservative Party that's been in government for the last decade while still yoking the Labour Party Corbyn leads to the Labour governments of Blair/Brown. What an ass.

still hammering on the fucking ‘there’s no money left’ note too - like yes, new labour were def complicit in the 2008 crisis but it was a fucking global collapse you disingenuous goon, and a Tory government would have been just as bad if not worse

Running as though in opposition while actually in power makes a cynical kind of sense though, how else could he really run?

it’s what Putin has done for 20 years

Trying not to use the T word here.

it’s the “deep state”, it’s the constant threat of nefarious incompetents who have just enough power to frustrate our hero, they’re always lurking just out of sight. constant vigilance is required

Boris Johnson will be the first UK prime minister - if re-elected - to enter office with the union under peril, the leader of the Ulster Unionist Party has claimed.

Steve Aiken, of the Northern Ireland party with historic links to the Conservatives, said he hopes Mr Johnson is not re-elected as an MP next month.

Gaun yersel', big yin.

still hammering on the fucking ‘there’s no money left’ note too - like yes, new labour were def complicit in the 2008 crisis but it was a fucking global collapse you disingenuous goon, and a Tory government would have been just as bad if not worse

Running as though in opposition while actually in power makes a cynical kind of sense though, how else could he really run?

tell that to boris! xp

Jim Bollix getting shat on by reality again?

It’s pretty chilling and bizarre Corbyn felt a need to repeat this claim. It’s victim-blaming that wouldn’t be tolerated for any other crime. The attacker was at a rehabilitation conference, his first named victim a man who dedicated his life to that. https://t.co/nZPqMBknEL

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) December 1, 2019

Jeremy Corbyn says UK military interventions have fuelled terrorism at home. He said the same during GE2017, and the public agree. By 53% to 24% Britons think wars the UK has supported/fought are at least partly responsible for terror attacks against ushttps://t.co/5KTh3v1JZh pic.twitter.com/k7MaySyCnH

— YouGov (@YouGov) December 1, 2019

*wearily mutes James Ball*

oh I already did lol - just one of dozens of hacksters I muted whose tweets I get to read here instead

Sorry Nash but when there’s a take as mad as the government being the victim here...

Ignore me. We're also back to headlines like 'Give me a majority and I'll keep you safe from terror' for a Johnson column in the MoS - their readers sure know a good bargain when they're desperately tossed it.

as long as you're alright, I guess https://t.co/YNSstKLh8E pic.twitter.com/DnQcEqdHEH

— tom (@malaiseforever) December 1, 2019

72 convicted terrorists released early is... a fuck of a lot?

Matt otm about Johnson's image, I just get so tired of liberal handwringing about the bad men that allows them to ignore the bad politics but still feel personally aggrieved. That was half of Labour's strategy in 97 so of course I'm cynical about its value but tactically, this time round, you're right.

xxp she’s awful, keeps eye rolling at everything Labour’s been doing the last four years as though she wasn’t one of Ed Miliband’s advisers. Plus she congratulated Kate Andrews on getting some other job recently.

72 convicted terrorists released early is... a fuck of a lot?

Possibly also a reflection of the fact you don’t necessarily need to do much to be convicted as a terrorist, though.

that dispatches programme is heartbreaking. highlights one of the potential issues for the conservatives of holding an election in the run up to christmas

even the trailer for that Dispatches programme was too horrible for me to handle at the moment. cuts thru all the other bullshit dithering about who to vote for, unless you're a fucking monster.

I'd imagine child poverty is another one from the endless boris couldn't gaf about long list.

i was thinking about how low down it seems on the melt list of concerns

Stella Creasy rolling eyes at Chakraborrty. Gif

In many ways the melts are worse than boris - evil and hypocritical when they are supposedly the opposition.

one of the guiding tenets of these threads, obv

Richard Burgon doing the debate tonight, is it?!

oh no :(