2020 Democratic presidential primary

I think Biden or Buttigieg will probably win

given that F*** is wrong about everything, I'm happy about this post

I wonder if he's ever mad at himself for staying in Indiana. Short of the Presidency, his career dead-ends at town mayor there - in any number of other places he could have been a Senator in 10 years.

i mean also i am saying that Pete should be the norm instead of an example of progressive excellence to white boys in the US. xpost

xpost with his job at mckinsey and being ex military he could've gotten a high paying job easily in any major city. Working at mickinsey is like being the most sought after, most highly paid temp that you will never have to see again in shame after not executing or pursuing any of their recommendations.

the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists.

― No language just sound (Sund4r), Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:23 PM

I was assuming they could do the math on why Trump won in 2016.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, November 30, 2019 6:55 PM

Care to parse the math a little bit? This is something I'm genuinely curious about. Although I finally figured out what 'idpol' refers to which helps clear it up a little bit.

I was a little excited about Harris a year ago but the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists.

yeah, but the identity politics were also problematic -- like it wasn't just white bernie bro-types like Shakey's buddies that were calling her out as a cop and bad for POC and the poor, a lot of progressive POC had issues with her for it.

idk I think Pete has the advantage of being from a smaller, more republican state whereas Harris had the "misfortune" of coming out of one of the most progressive left major cities in the most populous democrat-leaning states.

The NYT article about the Harris campaign cited her kickoff event to 20k people in Oakland as a high point -- there were organized protesters against her at that event! Like ... idk ... I don't understand why so many of these candidates don't just quit already

Organized protesters in Oakland not exactly out of the ordinary tbh. I'd choose Harris over Pete any day simply because she is from a real city and seems to have a few progressive bonafides but I can see how the Left Coast stink is an issue for swing states.

But would quitting early affect chances of cabinet placement if Dems can pull off the big win?

doubt it, and would she want a cabinet spot? I could definitely see her angling for AG, though

to sarahell’s point I think much of the divide is generational. older POC gravitate toward biden for reasons that have been well speculated upon, younger go for bernie or warren. this is just based on my interpretation of polling of course as a white guy

I wonder if he's ever mad at himself for staying in Indiana. Short of the Presidency, his career dead-ends at town mayor there - in any number of other places he could have been a Senator in 10 years.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z)

a lot of my Indiana friends are hoping he pivots to a governor run

This is too little too late, and it's more Trump-focused than I'd like; at this point I really want the Democratic candidates to be 100% about plans and promises (no matter how vaporous). But it's not terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDSsci8uy8E

Homie's not getting elected governor of the state that voted for Pence this decade.

no, drive the vacant wonk from public life

As the race was shaping up, I was on a "done with dudes for a while" groove, and accordingly was like ok Warren, Harris, Gillibrand in approximately that order.

Still am on the same groove so it's just Warren until that isn't a tenable choice any more.

I’m still slightly favoring Warren over Bernie but selfishly I hope one is well ahead of the other by the time my state votes and I can just vote for that person.

My #1 reason for preferring Warren right now is the same as YMP’s. If Liz was a man I’d be leaning more towards Bernie

yeah, but the identity politics were also problematic -- like it wasn't just white bernie bro-types like Shakey's buddies that were calling her out as a cop and bad for POC and the poor, a lot of progressive POC had issues with her for it.

"Idpol" can mean a lot of things but I did mean simple representation more than policy details or ideological principle. I've never thought of things like criminal justice reform and economic inequality as identity politics issues, tbh.

Sadly I think criminal justice reform is extremely “idpol” in the US

when i hear that term, i think of it more as a marketing approach, like how one frames their platform to appeal to certain groups.

injustice in the american criminal justice system is overwhelmingly real and every decent person should be demanding reform. it overwhelming affects black people and other minorities, but they shouldn't be the only ones to care about it.

like, climate change could be considered "idpol" too because it's a youth issue

I don’t think I understand what “identity politics” actually is

minorities aren't the only people who care about criminal justice reform. many whites are very invested in it not happening.

i don't think an inequitable society is good for anyone, even just in terms of bare pragmatism. massive inequality, lack of opportunity, a predatory system that locks people up and prevents them from gaining job skills--all of this has ripple effects that makes america less functional and more dangerous for everyone. no one likes living in states where the major metropolitan centers are described as "failed."

i think this is the cases the candidate needs to make -- sensitively, or course. unless you're like the waltons who benefit from an endless supply of cheap, unorganized labor, you should want a society that helps people become contributing citizens.

the stereotypical white person who is against affirmative action, or whatever, is just a moron. they're putting narrow resentment over the idea of a better society.

I wasn’t talking about what people should want. I was describing the current state of affairs wrt criminal justice reform in American politics. It’s very tightly tied to black identity politics because black people are the most affected, by a tremendously disproportionate degree.

like, climate change could be considered "idpol" too because it's a youth issue

― treeship., Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:20 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

what are you talking about

just like, any issue can get tagged an idpol issue because it affects certain demographics over others. and so the term can be a burden.

yeah, thats not idpol treesh

idpol is "i belong to x community so i understand what people in the x community go through, therefore vote for me and i will make things better for the x community by doing y and z."

am i wrong in believing "identity politics" is just shorthand for "let's not give a shit what non-white people think" in pundit-speak? because i don't know if "idpol" has ever been used positively

yes. historically (u.s.), white men have been the most flagrant users of identity politics.

they don't call it that though. nhex is referring to the term rather than the practice.

oh the shorthand "idpol"? yeah ive never seen anyone use it positively either.

the term identity politics. someone who is making a case for an issue doesn't say "this is an identity issue"

what are you talking about

― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:16 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

am i wrong in believing "identity politics" is just shorthand for "let's not give a shit what non-white people think" in pundit-speak? because i don't know if "idpol" has ever been used positively

Not necessarily imo. Non-white people (or women or sexual minorities) could think that a member of their community is engaging in identity politics in a shallow and cynical way by trying to use their minority identity to gain credibility without actually advancing the community's interests.

for instance

I've seen plenty of people enraged that various candidates support FOSTA-SESTA; I have to think that people angry about this are a minority, no?

like, if you're running for something and you vocally came out against that, I can't see it helping you with votes at all, anywhere.

that video of biden talking about his hairy legs is

The self-clowning continues

Honestly I think it's weird that people think it's either dumb or bad to pander to old people. Lots of people are old! And they've earned their pandering fair and square by voting a lot!

And old people are gonna get badly screwed in the short term by Republican policy, which is, in point of fact, malarkey!

that’s an argument that Joe Biden is sure to communicate clearly & concisely

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— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) November 26, 2019

malarky is a bit cheesy but it doesn't warrant the level of freak out those twitter idiots are expressing. again I maintain twitter is made of what's probably not a significant percentage of likely voters and a lot of people who love to hear themselves speak and I said elsewhere (or maybe here) it's getting to the point where 98% of the political social media posts I see read like they were generated by an AI Woke Rage Bot.

otm

I'm in an FB group a friend set up to discuss the candidates and it started well but now has completely dissolved into a group of smug asshole Bernie bros all of whom have profile pictures of themselves holding their bearded chins and staring smugly into the camera, a few completely unreasonable Buttigieg supporters who can't bear any criticism of their chosen candidate, and then one guy who posted a paragraphs long 'woke' screed about how no one is supporting POC (he was white) and started every section with "Bye Karen! Bye Becky!" and ended up going on about how Gabbard is the best candidate for minorities.