2020 Democratic presidential primary

oh she has her stans here

I don't remember having seen anyone defending Kamala here!

There were several attacks on Kamala within a couple of weeks of her announcing her candidacy that I called out as rather stupid and rather broad and dredged up from deep enough in her past as to be of questionable relevance. Outis did so as well.

Since then she has run an unimpressive and unfocussed campaign that hasn't merited my support, but it's not because "she's a cop" or some of the decisions she made as a DA in San Francisco or the policies she ran on for CA's AG. She's just never made a good case for why she even wants to be president.

"Trash" is coming it a bit high, even now.

I retract use of word "trash". You are correct and it is too strong. Can I replace with "poor candidate"?

I was just surprised because I don't recall anyone here saying they thought Kamala was a suitable choice. Though with a high volume of posts its more than likely I missed some, particularly if they were a while ago when she was doing better in the polls

tbh i had a vaguely positive/neutral-ish view of kamala a while back and even expressed annoyance w/ the "kamala is a cop" stuff, but after reading some in-depth articles about her record as DA i was pretty embarrassed by what i'd said. i'm glad her campaign has tanked.

I'd probably rather kick it with her than any of the other candidates

Shakey loves Kamala

Mayor Pete fans revealing themselves to be as deluded as Yang Gangers over the last couple of days.

Can I replace with "poor candidate"?

I don't think anyone could have argued that convincingly a year ago - by all rights, she should have been a near-perfect candidate for the current Democratic coalition (which demands high turnout from minorities and needs more white women to win shit) and amenable to the party establishment. Hillary with 2012 minority turnout wins the election.

Unfortunately (for her) Harris's record precludes her from running to the left and the senile uncle and Child of the Corn offer white alternatives to the centrists she would have needed.

I was pro-Harris for ugly realpolitik reasons that I still stand by. She also does seem like someone who’d be fun to hang out with. Unfortunately, she’s a bad campaigner.

I don't think anyone could have argued that convincingly a year ago

Oh, in terms of being able to win the nomination? In that case I agree, and a year ago I thought she was the most likely to win!

But in terms of being who you would want to win? Definitely not, and I don't remember seeing many pro-Kamala posts here, though there are now a couple of muted ones!

I was pro-Harris! Still am, to some extent. But with an important prior: I think Biden or Buttigieg will probably win, and I'd much prefer Harris. And following from that, not only do I think the early response to her was harsh and somewhat unfair, it was also stupid from a strategic point of view. In general, the constant tearing down of new names as they entered the race mostly managed to benefit Biden, who was already established, and where those kinds of attacks failed to make an impact.

Harris was my distant third choice until August, then I aligned with unperson and J.D.

the origins and evolution of the word motherfucker is really interesting and I find it very hard to believe that Pete B has never been called a mfer before in his life.

or I guess maybe he missed out on the lying part.

Michael Bloomberg is off to an attention-grabbing start

In just three weeks, billionaire Michael Bloomberg has captured a level of media attention that's eluded most 2020 Democrats with months on the trail and in debates.

The big picture: Recent stories about Bloomberg generated more social media interactions than Amy Klobuchar, Andrew Yang, Julián Castro or Tom Steyer have ever gotten, according to data from NewsWhip provided exclusively to Axios.

On Nov. 8, the day after it was first reported that Bloomberg was preparing to enter the race, he was mentioned more on cable news than any Democratic candidate other than Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders on a single day this year, according to the Television News Archive.

In November, Bloomberg has been mentioned more on cable news than every candidate except Biden and Elizabeth Warren.

Bloomberg's mentions this month on cable news (4,486) have more than doubled Yang's throughout his entire campaign (2,167). Yet, Yang is polling ahead of Bloomberg.

For each of the last three weeks, stories about Bloomberg have generated more interactions (comments, likes, shares) on social media than another billionaire candidate, Tom Steyer, has ever gotten in the race.

Translated from Axios to English: We journalists love talking about Michael Bloomberg, which automatically make him important! Sure, his poll numbers are basically the margin of error, but people are commenting way more on the 5000 stories we've published about him than on the two stories we published about this other rich asshole!

lol he has a lot of social media mentions because ppl are constantly dunking on him

Oh, they're not booing you, Sir, they're shouting "Boo-loomberg!"

I was a little excited about Harris a year ago but the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists. Since then, she has not been inspiring except when going after Biden imo.

the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists.

this is how I feel about Klobuchar tbrr

I had no idea she was ever considered a likely winner tbh.

a year ago i def thought she'd be a frontrunner

lol you're not from minnesota

One more month and this poll will close and we can have a new thread

xxp sry that was in ref to harris, not klobuchar

Nobody can beat me for abysmal prognosis, I thought this was Gillibrand’s to lose

just consider she was just ahead of schedule in losing it

the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists.

I was assuming they could do the math on why Trump won in 2016.

Nobody can beat me for abysmal prognosis, I thought this was Gillibrand’s to lose

so now we're all voting bernie right?

Man I GUESS

Yeah I killed my monthly contribution to Warren and I’m all in on Bernie for now.
Obviously I’ll be sprinting to the polls for him or Warren should either be the nom.

If anyone else gets it I’m definitely voting but I’m going to resent the fuck out of it.

Nobody can beat me for abysmal prognosis, I thought this was Gillibrand’s to lose

― El Tomboto, Saturday, November 30, 2019 1:32 PM

lol I kinda did too, two years ago

One more month and this poll will close and we can have a new thread

combo democratic / republican nominee speculation megathread

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what a scoop from bag of dooms not otherwise specified

there are a whole lot of Pete Bs in the world and we keep telling them that they are special and gifted and will do great things in life. Still, that tweeter is kind of fucked up to currently think about these things from when they were 10-11 yrs old and think it's also special.

I am still going to vote Warren.

south bend must also be some kind of awesome to stay there/go back there after childhood. I have never experienced that pull.

there are a whole lot of Pete Bs in the world and we keep telling them that they are special and gifted and will do great things in life

Dude did OK for himself tbf.

oh totally. he seems to have had good parents, was an only child and is a nice looking white boy.

I think Biden or Buttigieg will probably win

given that F*** is wrong about everything, I'm happy about this post

I wonder if he's ever mad at himself for staying in Indiana. Short of the Presidency, his career dead-ends at town mayor there - in any number of other places he could have been a Senator in 10 years.

i mean also i am saying that Pete should be the norm instead of an example of progressive excellence to white boys in the US. xpost

xpost with his job at mckinsey and being ex military he could've gotten a high paying job easily in any major city. Working at mickinsey is like being the most sought after, most highly paid temp that you will never have to see again in shame after not executing or pursuing any of their recommendations.

the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists.

― No language just sound (Sund4r), Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:23 PM

I was assuming they could do the math on why Trump won in 2016.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, November 30, 2019 6:55 PM

Care to parse the math a little bit? This is something I'm genuinely curious about. Although I finally figured out what 'idpol' refers to which helps clear it up a little bit.

I was a little excited about Harris a year ago but the idea that she was most likely to win the nomination always struck me as pretty tenuous and based on an overestimation of the importance of idpol/representation to party hacks and centrists.

yeah, but the identity politics were also problematic -- like it wasn't just white bernie bro-types like Shakey's buddies that were calling her out as a cop and bad for POC and the poor, a lot of progressive POC had issues with her for it.

idk I think Pete has the advantage of being from a smaller, more republican state whereas Harris had the "misfortune" of coming out of one of the most progressive left major cities in the most populous democrat-leaning states.

The NYT article about the Harris campaign cited her kickoff event to 20k people in Oakland as a high point -- there were organized protesters against her at that event! Like ... idk ... I don't understand why so many of these candidates don't just quit already

Organized protesters in Oakland not exactly out of the ordinary tbh. I'd choose Harris over Pete any day simply because she is from a real city and seems to have a few progressive bonafides but I can see how the Left Coast stink is an issue for swing states.

But would quitting early affect chances of cabinet placement if Dems can pull off the big win?