Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

you're saying that halal slaughter isn't humane?

Something like 95% of halal meat in the U.K. is pre-stunned iirc. It’s basically standard factory slaughter with a PA playing some prayers in the background. It’s more of an issue for kosher meat, I think.

xp this does not seem like a good faith question, but yes, I’m saying that non-stunned meat is bad. Not saying it should be banned, I eat tons of meat and the fact I can afford to do so is fairly indicative of the conditions in which it was produced.

probably not in good faith no. pissed off at bartley, farron comparison is apt and deserved other than the fact that he's since apologised whereas tim never did

We've only been top of the food chain for 300 and odd millenia. I bet the dinosaurs didn't do any hand-wringing over how they tore into our ancient mammal ancestors after lording it over us like we were insentient, walking pepperoni snacks FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS!

attacking other cultures on animal welfare grounds is always something i despair about tbh, the whole subject is rife with hypocrisy. it's not limited to greens and its not limited to vegetarians - take the average persons attitude to eating dogs in s korea. it's labour party policy to ban fur but there's no way they would countenance banning leather or or whatever. really disappointing to see it coming from bartley though

Halal and kosher are labelled, all take-aways using halal or kosher products have a marker; there are specific sections for each in supermarkets and some of it is organic. I buy it if I’m cooking for friends and neighbours who are religious adherents.

that Magid seems like a good person and quite an inspirational type and always otm. Fair play to him.

love magid! has also taken part in 'hunted' though and got caught even faster than stanley johnson did and johnson was fucking clueless

what is hunted?

The big issue people often claim to have with halal meat is use in schools and hospitals, etc, where people will eat it without realising it, ,in the belief that if it’s halal, it isn’t pre-stunned - which is almost certainly not going to be the case.

xp channel 4 reality programme where people go on the run and are tracked down and captured by spooks - got referenced upthread

Yes, my mother is a big fan of it (& Stanley) and spent a great deal of time telling me about how Stanley (allegedly an ex spy himself) got himself caught by using his credit card to buy petrol.

We've only been top of the food chain for 300 and odd millenia. I bet the dinosaurs didn't do any hand-wringing over how they tore into our ancient mammal ancestors after lording it over us like we were insentient, walking pepperoni snacks FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS!

Also, related to discussions upthread, fucking hell

sticking to my principles by getting sacked from my job at the racism factory where i wrote funny clickbait about refugees pic.twitter.com/H6T4rgKUol

— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) November 29, 2019

worth remembering that oz is the son of a refugee and worked (or works?) for a refugee charity

just wondering if playing Johnson at his own game means starting a bunch of social media stories about how today's attack is a false flag

This is also the case for David Miliband (and yeah the funny clickbait piece is shocking)

blows my mind. can't fathom writing something like that with that background (I'm the son of a refugee who has failed to get jobs at organizations who help refugees)

i imagine that for some people their class is a more important aspect of cultural identity than refugee status

I am sure he means well, but equally sure spending all his time on twitter starting stupid fights and buddying up with some of the worst people on there isn’t really great for him or his work.

i'd need some convincing that anybody who means well has ever taken the Rothermere shilling

This article in Haaretz is very good. Linking to the twitter link as you can see it if you click through.

The dead-end election: Between Corbyn - anti-Semitism, social justice and a second Brexit vote, or Johnson - racism, hard Brexit and food banks | Opinion @DanielHarris https://t.co/ADJLkccyI8

— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) November 29, 2019

talking of which, rothermere bought the i today xp

the business i mean, not just a copy of the paper

yeah, comrade alphabet mentioned this earlier. is the i online only now? obv being the celebs in bikinis website of record is a big part of the Mail's business model and i assumed it was a case of taking out a rival

the independent is online only, the i is print and now independent of the independent i think

I don’t think it was posted, but this longread from a couple of weeks ago by Rachel Shabi, about immigration in British politics, is very good: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/15/how-immigration-became-britains-most-toxic-political-issue

thanks for the link

When New Labour came to power in 1997, just 3% of the public cited immigration as a key issue. By the time of the EU referendum in 2016, that figure was 48%

that is an astounding statistic isn't it? astounding and hugely depressing

first thing Blair did (with his landslide victory mandate) was demonise single parent benefit scroungers. Then he spent a decade working on foreigners and the whole concept of a welfare state. I'd love to see him die in front of my eyes!

there wasn't hostile environment but lots of hostile propaganda

I didn’t know about a lot of this stuff. The statistics about Tamil asylum seekers and the stuff about children being taught in separate classrooms was new to me, and it was really depressing.

xp I think the article does a good job of showing how the increasing ratcheting up of rhetoric translated into violence and discrimination against first asylum seekers, and then immigrants in general (as well as non-white Britons).

if the tories get in i do wonder what our krystallnacht will be, and what the response to it will be

just saw this on the guardian website, massive fuck up if true:

The attacker is understood to have been wearing an electronic tag when he staged the attack after being released from prison for terrorism related offences.

He was known to the authorities at MI5 and police because of his previous conviction, sources confirm.

what impact does something like that have? think things are about to get way uglier

all of that follows on from my previous post all too snugly

He was tackled by a murderer on day release!

lol what

give him an MBE

What a cracking point by @RLong_Bailey.@sajidjavid and his mates were front and centre in causing the Global Financial Crisis.

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

pic.twitter.com/VZwvBz6cmC

— Labour's Black PLP (@LaboursBlackPLP) November 29, 2019

it's always nice to have a light night Bailey(s) (putting a braindead tory twerp on ice). The way pusillanimous Miliband Labour didn't have the right people/the political will to give this simple answer to the dumbest attack line in UK political history in 2015 is something that still angers me tbh. Probably because it was the first time I voted and Labour 2015 didn't do fuck all to earn my vote.

justice system breaking just about even there

give him an MBE

then hang him. then pardon him.

xp Big John going YEEEEEES GO FOR THE FACE backstage

NickB with the Vardy Party election pledge there

Just want to point out RL-B mentions The Fall (!) in this video on her twitter

Let's build the future of our communities by the many, for the many pic.twitter.com/jRQSNTLpZL

— Rebecca Long-Bailey (@RLong_Bailey) November 5, 2019

"local band The Fall, were setting the scene for what would later became Madchester"

I bet even baggymp is rolling his eyes at that clunker!

LOLz, always impressed by RLB whenever I see her nonetheless, I wish Corbyn had some of her sangfroid.

I think she's great, probably is the next leader.

maybe she's getting in her MES zings now he's dead