END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

tha fuckin god

bernie buckets

bernie rains 3s, ends climate change

hahaha

Bernie 2020. Pass it on. pic.twitter.com/pp8i0GJpx8

— Winifred (@WaywardWinifred) November 29, 2019

Bernie 2020. Pass it on. pic.twitter.com/pp8i0GJpx8

— Winifred (@WaywardWinifred) November 29, 2019

my man

more Sanders erasure, but tbh I'm wondering how much it even hurts him

Here are the results of this poll:

Sanders 24%
Warren 22%
Biden 14%
Buttigieg 12%

Now look at the headline.

It takes the LA Times three paragraphs to mention who is leading.https://t.co/f6J9JFEsZa pic.twitter.com/gi1hw0KN8M

— Ari Rabin-Havt (@AriRabinHavt) December 5, 2019

It doesn't hurt him, he thrives on manufactured outrage. And it's not really as if his campaign is going that well, so he wouldn't get that much out of it if they took him serious.

i think we're gonna look back on the malign neglect with fondness after he wins a few primaries, when the other candidates' (and media outlets') totally legitimate concerns over anti-israel racist misogynist berniebros dominate the narrative.

he may very well be intentionally neglected by the mainstream media for nefarious reasons but the complaints about it come off as petty + tedious

It’s weird as fuck guys. Period.

is it really that weird? I'm not even sure most people are "complaining" as much as observing/documenting a pretty clear and expected bias. to my knowledge people aren't out there lobbying MSNBC to cover him fairly or whatever, they know the score

It's not 'weird as fuck' to focus a primary story on the two front runners. It's myopic, but it's absolutely explainable.

Yeah I think it’s pretty weird

It's a myopia that seems mysteriously to plague the entirety of mass media.

and ftr was not a Bernie guy in 2016 and only recently decided he’s my #1 primary choice

That's what a media narrative is! These two candidates are important, and there are also all these other candidates.

One of my favorite recent headline examples:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/surprising-candidate-draws-support-deep-in-trump-country/vi-BBXxnbv

"Surprising candidate" folks. The answer may surprise you!

god the Trillbillies rule

it's absolutely explainable

for sure

And it's not really as if his campaign is going that well

I’m not sure what the barometer is for a campaign “going well”

being the california frontrunner can help, but the real key is not being tedious.

I just don't get the idea that the Sanders campaign is going well on paper? He is polling ten points behind Biden in the 538 average, and Buttigieg has been surging in the early states. He seems to have overtaken Elizabeth Warren once more, but that's not enough, is it?

here's a better reckoning:

California poll: LATimes/UC Berkeley

Sanders 24% (+5 since Sept.)
Warren 22% (-7)
Biden 14% (-6)
Buttigieg 12% (+6)
Harris 7%* (-1)

(*conducted before she dropped out)https://t.co/z9wl5lAgkw pic.twitter.com/Vj9OQR6jGA

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) December 5, 2019

tbf Harris might see an uptick now that she's out of the running

Lol

Tsongas came in 2nd place in NY two weeks after he dropped out of the race

in all seriousness I don't see any reason yet to assume Buttigieg has legs, and if/when people who aren't Harris drop out, most of those other candidates' fans (eg Gabbard, Yang) seem more likely to migrate to Bernie than anyone else. Biden still by some distance the biggest worry but I mean his brain could leak out the side of his skull at any moment

i definitely think it's worth noting, especially on the thread devoted to dudes' primary run lol, but i don't honestly see it as a huge deal. it seems to me his support does not come from joy anne reid reply guys who are super tuned-in to stories about primary polls

Classic fred b itt. Sanders campaign not doing that well (he's the front runner), Mayor Pete doing well (no one that isn't white will vote for him)

From someone who has a clue.

My take about this stuff is that being underrated in the major press relative to actual data is probably good for the Sanders campaign at this point. https://t.co/izXG5JbS87

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) December 5, 2019

yeah it was Osita's thread that got me thinking about this stuff. (lol at the apparently real Jesse Jackson magazine cover downthread)

yes absolutely. the msm has a toxic reputation - it's a good thing if they seem hostile to you. (see also: djt)

in all seriousness I don't see any reason yet to assume Buttigieg has legs, and if/when people who aren't Harris drop out, most of those other candidates' fans (eg Gabbard, Yang) seem more likely to migrate to Bernie than anyone else. Biden still by some distance the biggest worry but I mean his brain could leak out the side of his skull at any moment

― Simon H., 5. december 2019 17:10 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Right, but here's the problem. According to Nate Silver, Gabbard is polling at 1,6, Yang at 3,2. Biden is almost ten points ahead.

Like I said, he's still by some distance the biggest problem.

That said, imo anything that chips away at his narrative of inevitability will chip away at his inevitability.

Being the frontrunner with white centrist melts is strategically better than being the frontrunner in California, btw. Sad as that is. Iowa matters a lot. I think Buttigieg is going to fall as well, btw, once the media takes a more critical look.

Re Gabbard & Yang hives: I def anticipate some of their supporters coming over to Bernie, but I can just as easily picture either or both run bing third party and maintaining virtually all their weird respective fan bases. I can also honestly see some of those folks spitefully voting for Trump, assuming they even show up at all.

But none of that matters in the primary :)

Here is the kind of shit Nate Silver peddles every day on twitter:

am i losing my fucking mind. did every pundit just get together and decide this never happened https://t.co/qx3kpQfZtu pic.twitter.com/xXaVUySDv0

— Virgil Xmas 🎄 (@virgiltexas) December 3, 2019

Go home, xyzzzz, you're embarrassing yourself.

The clueless follow the clueless.

Three weeks till Baby Yoda Fred, that's more your level

Did Virgil Texas get together and decide that Jesse Jackson got 1.5% in the Iowa caucus in 1984?

nate silver is totally otm that iowa and nh are shitty states to start the primaries in and it's partially bc they're so unrepresentative of our nation as a whole. if the DNC had any brains at all they'd make the first primaries rotate based on what states in the last general were the closest (aka the most swing states) to try and produce the candidate most likely to win the most important states.

And I’m not just (only partially) saying this bc I think PA should get to go firet

IA and NH are pretty insane about keeping their status. They will move the voting into December or earlier if prodded. (check Stranglehold podcast)

DNC has the power to ignore the results tho

shocking that a white minority insists on clinging to power by whatever means necessary, surely there is no precedent for such behavior in our political system