Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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There is also nowhere near enough credence being given to the fact that years of collapse in the press industry, especially local, have meant the new junior hires that BBC News has always depended upon are nowadays not either as experienced or trained as they once would have been.

When you see a flubbed headline at 7am that is fixed at 9.30am, I’d bet money it’s a very junior person being corrected by a more senior one when they get in, rather than a devious “get the spin out for the first hours until we can’t” plot.

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:15 (six years ago)

Journalists not actually doing any reporting. Just sitting and spewing thrash on social media all day long.

I won't hear a word said against Twitter.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:16 (six years ago)

xp it may very well be, but Kuenssberg herself is only part of it. The BBC created Farage, and have been platforming the far right for a while now. They had Generation Identity on the night after Christchurch. That Rob Burley spends his time on twitter either dismissing concerns about the effect of this stuff in the rudest way possible...well, it’s a symptom isn’t it?

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:17 (six years ago)

lol at ‘but the docs have been on reddit for a month!’, basically admitting that journos have been overlooking a huge story for weeks - good job you feckless fucks

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:17 (six years ago)

/clearly pro-Boris but /

^^ this is hugely problematic though.


Yeah and this is an industry problem right now. The NYT is starting to realise it has to abandon the “voice from nowhere” because millennial readers in particular no longer believe in any such thing, and want to know the reporter’s stance so they can contextualise the reporting.

The BBC hasn’t got there yet, and believes partisan writers can write impartially. I too think they can, tbf, but with time and editing. An unfiltered Twitter stream is the worst possible stress test for that scenario.

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:18 (six years ago)

Fuck Boris, fuck the BBC and fuck the US. How anyone could prefer such a partnership to the EU is beyond my ken.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:18 (six years ago)

Racism

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:19 (six years ago)

the old 1-2-suckaroo

He teed it up with the redacted document at the ITV debate, got Johnson to deny it, and then released the unredacted one today. It's smart.

— Bloonface says vote Labour 🌹 (@bloonface) November 27, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:22 (six years ago)

Journalists not actually doing any reporting. Just sitting and spewing thrash on social media all day long.

I won't hear a word said against Twitter.

― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol journalists don't do their job and twitter is the problem? Ok..

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:23 (six years ago)

i missed this from a couple of days ago and feel it needs to be immortalised itt for o_O purposes


Thank you Nicola for the note you passed me on the train today. pic.twitter.com/dlLDBJtG3n

— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) November 24, 2019

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:36 (six years ago)

bg......thank's

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:37 (six years ago)

suspect this was bumped up the campaign order after yesterday but think releasing today could be a good play: rolls the pitch ahead of trump visit next week; and, gives people ample time to mobilise if they want to protest. those could be very powerful images

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

The other problem - and it’s one that stretches across the entire media - is that entry level journalism is so badly paid, only people from comfortable backgrounds can afford to pursue it in the early stages and with that, there is a lack of questioning institutions the way someone from a more insecure background habitually would.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

Editor of City AM here. Tories are now openly talking about privatisation of the NHS:

Unpalatable truth: The NHS is one of the largest and most complex organisations in the world and it's absurd to think it can or should be wholly insulated from debate about service provision, costs & supply of drugs, corporate as well as political interests & yes, market forces.

— Christian May (@ChristianJMay) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:40 (six years ago)

Love too give hard truths in the middle of the election campaign.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:40 (six years ago)

The other problem - and it’s one that stretches across the entire media - is that entry level journalism is so badly paid, only people from comfortable backgrounds can afford to pursue it in the early stages and with that, there is a lack of questioning institutions the way someone from a more insecure background habitually would.

And a huge proportion of the entry level roles are at high-turnover right-wing outlets like Mail Online.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

Small world - CM's brother is a pal and I was politely debating the NHS with him when we visited a couple of weekends ago.

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

and guido

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

3000+ accusations in the bbc complaint log of *Left Wing* bias on last week's QT fwiw. i'm sure right wing twitter orchestrates write-in campaigns because it's always like this. "why do you show so many eu flags during westminster OBs?" being one such thing.

koogs, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

DAER PRIME MUNSTER

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

I mean you laugh, but this is why Naga was censured.
“Thousands of complaints because Fiona Bruce wasn’t standing over Jryeme Conbry screaming about the black book of communism again, is it? Better get someone on to talk nicely about how genocide has its upsides for balance.”

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

lol, it turns out that the docs were not just on Reddit, the guy who posted them sent the link to Peston and Jim Pickard via Twitter weeks ago.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:12 (six years ago)

hahahahahahahaha

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

scooped by JC

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

bbc’s norman smith just described labour’s release of the nhs documents as ‘a rather crude scare tactic’, so everyone just chill out

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

loool xxxp

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

wtf

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

emma barnett + chris mason dismissed it as a "dead cat"

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:16 (six years ago)

nice try bbc but this fire is out of your control

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:17 (six years ago)

Why do I even bother ffs

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

someone on the Charlton forum keeps calling it a dead cat but he's a nutcase who calls Corbyn a racist four times a day so

imago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:20 (six years ago)

Which noone, including jouurnalists (hands up) seemed to notice - there is a lot of interesting stuff in the documents which are mainly not about the health service

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 27, 2019


the jouurnalists at C4 did a dispatches programme about this a few weeks ago so someone was clearly paying attention

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:20 (six years ago)

Hope the Russia report comes out on TikTok next

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:23 (six years ago)

Leak it on ilxor dot com, insiders

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:25 (six years ago)

.@jeremycorbyn "I love every day campaigning and yesterday was another day I loved"!

— Robert Peston (@Peston) November 27, 2019

Devastating thread about the Spectator

i would really like to know where @Peston gets off, thinking he can write condemning antisemitism in a far right, consistently antisemitic publication like the @spectator? https://t.co/2w4VQ12jbi

— michael (@Sisyphusa) November 27, 2019

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:27 (six years ago)

guys we need this Labour government so badly!!

nothing clever to add here, just what I'm feeling rn

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:35 (six years ago)

nhs, brexit, school fees, ub, council funding- we need a change so fucking bad

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:36 (six years ago)

for the record: i agree

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:37 (six years ago)

not mean UK will roll over and allow patent extensions that would push up price of drugs for NHS. Minister rings me to say that Tory manifesto explicitly rules out a trade agreement with US that would lead to increase in price of drugs for NHS. I ask minister if...

— Robert Peston (@Peston) November 27, 2019


that pledge also means Johnson would reject any increase in patent length. Minister insists it does. So we are once again back to the issue of trust.

— Robert Peston (@Peston) November 27, 2019

This is Peston's only takeaway from the report. One ring from a minister and all is well again. Laughable.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:40 (six years ago)

Good luck (unironically)!

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:40 (six years ago)

couple of years of secret talks between two closely ideologically-inclined rightwing governments vs one brief call from a minister: who am i, robert peston, to decide which is more persuasive and anyway when you get right down to it what really is truth anyway

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:45 (six years ago)

being in a position to do so, I make another small donation today to the british labour party

conrad, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:18 (six years ago)

ad hominem is bad not good but maybe don't send well known bullshit artist MALCOLM FUCKING GLADWELL in as yr expert on drug pricing ffs

mark s, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:24 (six years ago)

excuse me, that’s MALCOLM FUCKING KIDS WITH EPSTEIN GLADWELL to you, thank you very much

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:28 (six years ago)

This seems eminently correct:

Publish your plans for scrutiny and transparency in trade negotiations. Publish a trade strategy. Publish a mandate for each negotiation. Then your claims may be more believable. https://t.co/UtiZXtdan5

— David Henig (@DavidHenigUK) November 27, 2019

Checking the passages Corbyn is quoting, and they are taken a bit out of context. But reading the context it's crazy how little the UK negotiators apparently say. There really seems to be no idea about what's to gain by moving from being aligned with EU to being more aligned by US. And what is there to be gained, if it's not pro-corporate anti-regulation laws? That's what US stands for! It's common sense. And with known liar Boris Johnson ahead of secretive talks, of course everyone should be concerned.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:30 (six years ago)

#disgracedDrLiamFox watch

No govt ministers appear to have been present apart from Liam Fox at the first meeting - altho officials of course are always very well aware of what ministers want and don't want!

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:44 (six years ago)

She's being wilfully obtuse about this. Gunning for another entry under her 'accusations of bias' wiki lemma I reckon.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:48 (six years ago)

McDonnell and Starmer have both given personal apologies about all of this today https://t.co/aessQdwyQO

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 27, 2019

So wHy NoT JeBeDiAh CrOmrYne?1!?3!

I'm not going to look at her tweets anymore*, I swear.

(* today)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:50 (six years ago)

yeah can we stop

imago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:51 (six years ago)

I mean it's just nagl to go from "It's Theresa May's time in office" to "officials are well aware of what ministers want" two tweets later, when one of the minister's was Boris!

xps no

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 14:52 (six years ago)


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