Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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all views my own (and those of the barclay brothers)

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:39 (six years ago)

happily those two sets of views coincide in all circumstances

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:40 (six years ago)

Just a few words on this ridiculous position, from me, who grew up in America under American "health care" and what this would mean for our NHS.
The leading cause of bankruptcy in America is medical bills.
In America getting sick can and very often means you end up homeless. pic.twitter.com/Bn87qXnPYV

— Dr Eleanor Janega (@GoingMedieval) November 27, 2019

Look at the post highlighted at the top of the thread. It could also show up the Brexit Party's position but in places like Grimsby it's probably too far gone already.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:42 (six years ago)

lol we’re all gonna die broke and homeless

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:45 (six years ago)

Telegraph journal takes on 🔥

Jeremy Corbyn is giving out a 100-plus page unredacted document marked "OFFICIAL - SENSITIVE (UK eyes only)" to journalists. Civil Servants will have marked it like this for a reason. And he wants to be Prime Minister in just over a fortnight's time. #GE2019

— Christopher Hope📝 (@christopherhope) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:46 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7t52KkmOMA

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:47 (six years ago)

Has the BBC always been like this? No one suspects its sheer awfulness abroad.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:50 (six years ago)

No, it has been cowed by government bullying and internal fretting about liberal bias over the last ten years, or so.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:55 (six years ago)

I certainly expected them to be bad but not this bad. Pom is otm though, BBC is still seen as the be all and end all over here.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:57 (six years ago)

*epected them to be bad this GE

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:58 (six years ago)

Journalists not actually doing any reporting. Just sitting and spewing thrash on social media all day long.

The secret government documents Jeremy Corbyn has revealed this morning appear to have been sitting on reddit for a month (go to the 'full document' link on this page: https://t.co/yqWaDVnqU7

— Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:00 (six years ago)

LK removed her Piers rt again

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:05 (six years ago)

Apparently Johnson is visiting a hospital in Penzance just as this story breaks. Good timing.

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:09 (six years ago)

Laura is ... not good at context for the tweets she gives. That “evidence” one makes it look like she has either somehow read the docs and found nothing (or that a Downing Street Source has told her).

In fact she was talking about the answer to a question she put to Corbyn: “do you have any evidence that ministers have suggested to US that NHS could form part of trade deal?” and ... he hasn’t. (yet)

Tldr she does herself few favours and is clearly pro-Boris but Death Of An Institution stuff it shouldn’t be. Tory bias charges against BBC News feel a bit like the anti-semitism charges: there are genuine problems there, the response is being needlessly flubbed, but it is also being oversimplified.

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:10 (six years ago)

clearly pro-Boris but

^^ this is hugely problematic though.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:13 (six years ago)

The BBC's defences against accusations of bias and court journalism always rest on there not being any conspiracy, no coordination, people being asked/told to do things. But the point is that they don't have to be asked or told.

— Will Wiles (@WillWiles) November 27, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:14 (six years ago)

18m ago 11:56

The campaigning group Global Justice Now has welcomed the release of the leaked documents. The organisation released the original, heavily redacted version of these papers that were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act. These were the papers Jeremy Corbyn was brandishing during the ITV debate last week.

In a news release, Global Justice Now also offered its own summary of what these documents show. Here it is in full.

The US pushing lower food standards on Britain post Brexit, including allowing imports of chlorine-washed chickens, less nutritional labelling on foods, and less protection for regional food like stilton cheese. The US offered to help the UK government ‘sell’ chlorine chicken to a sceptical British public and stated that parliamentary scrutiny of food standards is ‘unhelpful’.

The US banning any mention of climate change in a US-UK trade deal.

US officials threatening UK civil servants that they would undermine US trade talks if they supported certain EU positions in international forums.

The US suggesting a ‘corporate court system’ in a US-UK deal, which would allow big business to sue the British government, in secret and without appeal, for anything they regard as ‘unfair’. Recent similar cases have included suing governments for trying to phase out use of coal.

US officials pushing a far reaching proposals on the digital economy, giving Big Tech companies like Facebook, Google and Amazon sweeping freedoms to move and use our online data, which would make taxation and regulation of these companies more difficult and prohibit Labour proposals for a public broadband service.

Threats to public services like the NHS, via sweeping services liberalisation. The British government would need to exclude everything not subject to liberalisation in order to protect public services, while bringing formerly public services like the mail, or rail companies back into public ownership would be much harder.

US officials making a further threat to NHS in terms of medicine pricing policy, with special concern about Brits paying more for cancer medicines which the US feels Britain doesn’t pay enough for. Trade negotiators have received special lobbying from pharmaceutical corporations as part of the trade talks.

US officials demanding US experts and multinational corporations are able to participate in standard-setting in Britain post Brexit.

A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public.

Wee Bloabby (NickB), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:15 (six years ago)

There is also nowhere near enough credence being given to the fact that years of collapse in the press industry, especially local, have meant the new junior hires that BBC News has always depended upon are nowadays not either as experienced or trained as they once would have been.

When you see a flubbed headline at 7am that is fixed at 9.30am, I’d bet money it’s a very junior person being corrected by a more senior one when they get in, rather than a devious “get the spin out for the first hours until we can’t” plot.

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:15 (six years ago)

Journalists not actually doing any reporting. Just sitting and spewing thrash on social media all day long.

I won't hear a word said against Twitter.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:16 (six years ago)

xp it may very well be, but Kuenssberg herself is only part of it. The BBC created Farage, and have been platforming the far right for a while now. They had Generation Identity on the night after Christchurch. That Rob Burley spends his time on twitter either dismissing concerns about the effect of this stuff in the rudest way possible...well, it’s a symptom isn’t it?

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:17 (six years ago)

lol at ‘but the docs have been on reddit for a month!’, basically admitting that journos have been overlooking a huge story for weeks - good job you feckless fucks

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:17 (six years ago)

/clearly pro-Boris but /

^^ this is hugely problematic though.


Yeah and this is an industry problem right now. The NYT is starting to realise it has to abandon the “voice from nowhere” because millennial readers in particular no longer believe in any such thing, and want to know the reporter’s stance so they can contextualise the reporting.

The BBC hasn’t got there yet, and believes partisan writers can write impartially. I too think they can, tbf, but with time and editing. An unfiltered Twitter stream is the worst possible stress test for that scenario.

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:18 (six years ago)

Fuck Boris, fuck the BBC and fuck the US. How anyone could prefer such a partnership to the EU is beyond my ken.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:18 (six years ago)

Racism

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:19 (six years ago)

the old 1-2-suckaroo

He teed it up with the redacted document at the ITV debate, got Johnson to deny it, and then released the unredacted one today. It's smart.

— Bloonface says vote Labour 🌹 (@bloonface) November 27, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:22 (six years ago)

Journalists not actually doing any reporting. Just sitting and spewing thrash on social media all day long.

I won't hear a word said against Twitter.

― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol journalists don't do their job and twitter is the problem? Ok..

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:23 (six years ago)

i missed this from a couple of days ago and feel it needs to be immortalised itt for o_O purposes


Thank you Nicola for the note you passed me on the train today. pic.twitter.com/dlLDBJtG3n

— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) November 24, 2019

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:36 (six years ago)

bg......thank's

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:37 (six years ago)

suspect this was bumped up the campaign order after yesterday but think releasing today could be a good play: rolls the pitch ahead of trump visit next week; and, gives people ample time to mobilise if they want to protest. those could be very powerful images

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

The other problem - and it’s one that stretches across the entire media - is that entry level journalism is so badly paid, only people from comfortable backgrounds can afford to pursue it in the early stages and with that, there is a lack of questioning institutions the way someone from a more insecure background habitually would.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

Editor of City AM here. Tories are now openly talking about privatisation of the NHS:

Unpalatable truth: The NHS is one of the largest and most complex organisations in the world and it's absurd to think it can or should be wholly insulated from debate about service provision, costs & supply of drugs, corporate as well as political interests & yes, market forces.

— Christian May (@ChristianJMay) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:40 (six years ago)

Love too give hard truths in the middle of the election campaign.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:40 (six years ago)

The other problem - and it’s one that stretches across the entire media - is that entry level journalism is so badly paid, only people from comfortable backgrounds can afford to pursue it in the early stages and with that, there is a lack of questioning institutions the way someone from a more insecure background habitually would.

And a huge proportion of the entry level roles are at high-turnover right-wing outlets like Mail Online.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

Small world - CM's brother is a pal and I was politely debating the NHS with him when we visited a couple of weekends ago.

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

and guido

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

3000+ accusations in the bbc complaint log of *Left Wing* bias on last week's QT fwiw. i'm sure right wing twitter orchestrates write-in campaigns because it's always like this. "why do you show so many eu flags during westminster OBs?" being one such thing.

koogs, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

DAER PRIME MUNSTER

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

I mean you laugh, but this is why Naga was censured.
“Thousands of complaints because Fiona Bruce wasn’t standing over Jryeme Conbry screaming about the black book of communism again, is it? Better get someone on to talk nicely about how genocide has its upsides for balance.”

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

lol, it turns out that the docs were not just on Reddit, the guy who posted them sent the link to Peston and Jim Pickard via Twitter weeks ago.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:12 (six years ago)

hahahahahahahaha

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

scooped by JC

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

bbc’s norman smith just described labour’s release of the nhs documents as ‘a rather crude scare tactic’, so everyone just chill out

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

loool xxxp

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

wtf

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

emma barnett + chris mason dismissed it as a "dead cat"

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:16 (six years ago)

nice try bbc but this fire is out of your control

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:17 (six years ago)

Why do I even bother ffs

stet, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

someone on the Charlton forum keeps calling it a dead cat but he's a nutcase who calls Corbyn a racist four times a day so

imago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:20 (six years ago)

Which noone, including jouurnalists (hands up) seemed to notice - there is a lot of interesting stuff in the documents which are mainly not about the health service

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 27, 2019


the jouurnalists at C4 did a dispatches programme about this a few weeks ago so someone was clearly paying attention

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:20 (six years ago)

Hope the Russia report comes out on TikTok next

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:23 (six years ago)


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