Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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Agreed that Labour have bungled the anti-semitism issue badly but don't think an apology on Andrew Neil would have done much of anything - ppl could very reasonably see it as opportunistic electioneering and the papers would go with "CROMBY'S FLUBBED APOLOGY" instead. If apologies are to be given that should be done at an event relating to the community imo.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:05 (six years ago)

"pesky Daily Star"

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:07 (six years ago)

Whereas not dealing with the public matters a bit more.

At the moment AS would work to demoralise activists more than anything. Which is sad in its own way. But they are pretty much keeping their heads down and working. Just over two weeks to narrow the gap by 5 points (if the polls are to be believed)

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:12 (six years ago)

he should have apologised because it would have been the right thing to do. irrespective of headlines/electoral calculus etc

it has been notable that BJ has not leaned into the same performative hysterics on this issue that eg michael gove has because he knows his own flank is badly exposed. expect both parties to try move off this terrain today

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:12 (six years ago)

Thanks for linking to that State of the North report Anvil!

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:15 (six years ago)

he should have apologised because it would have been the right thing to do. irrespective of headlines/electoral calculus etc

Notice my post didn't just include electoral calculus but also the fact that if he had done so it would register as opportunistic and insincere. If an apology is worth making it is also worth making in a credible fashion and that is a moral stance as much as a strategic one. A Marr interview would not have been that.

I mean really if Johnson apologised for the letterbox comments on Marr (fat chance, I know) do you think any muslim would take it seriously?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:16 (six years ago)

The North East and the North West's life expectancies – the lowest in the UK – are 77.9 and 78.2, respectively, which already puts them ahead of Romania's (75), Turkey's (76.4) and Poland's (77.8), albeit just barely. There are other, better ways of highlighting the scourge of inequality in England.

I'm assuming they didn't bother doing Scotland. The life expectancy for men in (Greater) Glasgow is 71.6.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:16 (six years ago)

looking at it from basic “how media works” perspective - he’s going to continue to be asked for an apology anyway so why not get it out the way. CORBYN CONTINUES TO REFUSE APOLOGY is nagl

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:17 (six years ago)

I see they didn't, so talking in terms of the UK seems a bit off. (xp)

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:18 (six years ago)

Yes he should've apologised (as I was saying on the anti-Semitism thread last night).

Tory Islamophobia will not get the same scrutiny, not will Neil's prodding on it get as widely reported. It's what we face.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

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This is absolutely astonishing. Jeremy Corbyn has over 400 pages of entirely unredacted government documents confirming that the Tories have put the NHS on the table and it will be up for sale after Brexit under the Tories.

The unredacted documents confirm that the Tories have discussed medicine pricing with major US pharma corporations.

According to Corbyn, discussions on drug pricing are already at an advanced stage and agreements have already been made.

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

If Boris was asked to apologize for Islamophobia and refused, muslims would definitely take note of it.

Is anyone claiming you can only apologize for something one time in one place?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

boris has been repeatedly asked for apologies (including during this election) and he has refused. nothing has come of it in the press but voters see him

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:21 (six years ago)

"If Boris was asked to apologize for Islamophobia and refused, muslims would definitely take note of it."

Lol

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:23 (six years ago)

The life expectancy for men in (Greater) Glasgow is 71.6.

Interesting, I wasn't familiar with the 'Glasgow effect'. If we go by cities, Satu Mare is the worst offender in Romania (73.2 irrespective of gender, 69.3 for men).

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:23 (six years ago)

Boris is such a trustworthy guy. And it's brown ppl, they'll lap anything up! xp

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:24 (six years ago)

There was that famous report a few years back that claimed life expectancy in Calton for men was 54 - don't know how accurate it was though!

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:25 (six years ago)

get his ass

Breaking:

Corbyn brandishes 450 pages of leaked documents about preliminary “secret” trade talks between US and UK in which Washington demands access to NHS for American healthcare companies pic.twitter.com/wXZDnOJj23

— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 27, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:25 (six years ago)

yikes - that’s a banger. we’re not going down without a fight

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:26 (six years ago)

Greater Glasgow has a population of 1.2 million, which more than 1 in 5 of the Scottish population, so, even if the rest of Scotland was superhuman - and believe me it isn't- it's hard to see how the North of England has the worst life expectancy rates in the UK.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:28 (six years ago)

Xyzzz that's literally the opposite of what I'm saying. Idiot.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:29 (six years ago)

Oh was it sarcasm? You've been such a fool for so long it's hard to tell

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:32 (six years ago)

No, you're right, Tom, I keep getting regions mixed up – apologies. Scotland is indeed worse off than the North of England, even though it's still ahead of Romania, Turkey and Poland in terms of overall life expectancy.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:32 (six years ago)

Leak the fucking NHS documents now.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:36 (six years ago)

Oh wait he literally handed then out to journalists.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:37 (six years ago)

Life expectancy in Norilsk is apparently 69, surprisingly not that far off

anvil, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:39 (six years ago)

That seems too high, 56 in Vorkuta seems about right

anvil, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:41 (six years ago)

Well it's 71.9 in Russia…

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:41 (six years ago)

66.4 for men!

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:41 (six years ago)

Small brain: Jeremy Corbyn did poorly in the Neill interview
Regular brain: Corbyn was never going to do well against a footsoldier of the right
Galaxy brain: he threw it on purpose to turn the spotlight onto him cos he was sitting on the election-winning NHS memos

— JC (@jmsclee) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:45 (six years ago)

Doctors now handing out the unredacted documents that Corbyn says are proof NHS is up for sale pic.twitter.com/ccKQdOEa60

— Emily Ashton (@elashton) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:47 (six years ago)

lol

This is all going to be furiously disputed through the day, no question ..trying to get link to the full documents so you can have a proper look - important tho Corbyn doesn't provide evidence that ministers have agreed that health service shoudl be part of a trade deal with US

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 27, 2019

gyac, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:51 (six years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/C5SIs3h.png

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:53 (six years ago)

trueee colours are shiiining thru

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:54 (six years ago)

Jesus Christ.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:54 (six years ago)

By all means let it take your breath away.

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:55 (six years ago)

lol at ‘corbyn doesn’t provide evidence’ minutes after he drops 451 pages of documents just because there’s not a section personally signed by boris stating that he will preside over the dismantling of the nhs

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:03 (six years ago)

Gonna take a wild stab and assume the documents also don't have any evidence of UK govt rejecting or pushing back against US demands.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:04 (six years ago)

oh yes they've got an equaliser here, whatever comebacks they've got, this should be quite powerful. Even some potential tory voters who can't be arsed reading it know Boris is a lying fucker and it will stick with them to the polling booth I reckon.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:16 (six years ago)

lol how can Kuenssberg post like a parody account like that and expect to get taken seriously ... never mind silly question.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:21 (six years ago)

The message is basically "you can have the NHS or you can have Boris but you can't have both" from here on in right

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:22 (six years ago)

When your hatred for everything Labour is so visceral you resort to rt'ing Piers fucking Morgan it's p much game over.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:23 (six years ago)

Gardiner shouldn't have reacted like that but Rigby is just as bad as Kberg at times

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:24 (six years ago)

💥This is the killer paragraph - the secret documents show the US preference for a no deal Brexit 💥https://t.co/tXw0ByWvkc pic.twitter.com/UH3fNnYqze

— Pippa Crerar (@PippaCrerar) November 27, 2019

groovypanda, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:26 (six years ago)

Fucking Kuenssberg... Jesus wept..

Anyway, I'm loving this picture of Korg-bin holding up two Arturia Microbrutes like he's about to get interviewed for Sound on Sound. Awaiting his analogue masterpiece with baited breath

https://i.imgur.com/XRDKljg.jpg

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:28 (six years ago)

Lol Trump is visiting the US next week? Shouldn't that be cancelled?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:28 (six years ago)

He was Foreign Secretary, and the UK's chief diplomat. And anyway, no, they run to 2019. https://t.co/NR3otKMoq5

— James B (@piercepenniless) November 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:29 (six years ago)

easy answer is not the same as good answer rayner u credulous cunt

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:34 (six years ago)

Political Editor of The Daily Telegraph and long-suffering Newcastle United fan. All views my own.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:37 (six years ago)

all views my own (and those of the barclay brothers)

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:39 (six years ago)


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