Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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turns out neil may have had his facts wrong on the two members’ cases he cited? claims both resigned immediately

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:09 (six years ago)

thank god we have twitter/facebook etc now to combat a lot of this stuff

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:12 (six years ago)

You'd expect Neil to give Swinson a savaging but following those two interviews up with a session of Spectator lads bantz with Johnson would do the BBC more harm than good so you've got to hope that Boris turns in an absolute car crash.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:12 (six years ago)

660k voter registrations yesterday

What level of comparability to 2017 is there here? This sounds like a lot of people, but then what matters the number in marginals (and not falling into trap of just assuming they're registering to vote for Labour. Caveat, I am inside this trap right now please help)

anvil, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:14 (six years ago)

his interview last time is famous for the GATT article 5(b) clip. would expect him to go in hard on BJ too. not sure andrew “the spectator” neil will have a dossier on islamophobia mind.

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:15 (six years ago)

Swinson didn’t turn up for hustings in Kirkintilloch. .....a hustings which many said SNP won well.Swinson made a bad mistake. At the weekend she saw her lead cut from 12 points to just four with momentum now for SNP and against Swinson. She’s in big trouble.

— Grey Panther (@Anderston42) November 26, 2019

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:16 (six years ago)

I said on here the media would play fast and loose w purdah this time round but genuinely did not expect some of the stuff that’s been coming out the BBC. don’t know why really - we saw how they behaved during indyref. wonder if that might even move some ex-LAB now-SNP votes towards us.

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:26 (six years ago)

Everyone who has been dissuaded from voting Tory because of Islamophobia has already done so. Doesn't mean it shljdlnt be covered, but better to attack Johnson on his long history of anti-black racism, Windrush, and the obvious gigantic holes in the Get Brexit Done argument.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:45 (six years ago)

Oh also the Russia dossier which everyone appears to have agreed not to talk about.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:46 (six years ago)

Karl McCartney was @Conservatives MP from 2010, lost in 2017
Since 2018 he has for a “sustained period” retweeted "far-right propaganda" from Tommy Robinson & Katie Hopkins @hopenothate
In 2019 we think him fit for office -meet our candidate in Lincoln 🤦🏽‍♀️https://t.co/YyInU5x4MV

— Sayeeda Warsi (@SayeedaWarsi) November 26, 2019

sometimes you do have to agree with a tory when she keeps repeating the message that her party has a huge Islamophobia problem and is doing nothing about it. That he's still running as a candidate should be a scandal.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:46 (six years ago)

that guys in a marginal - no way he’s getting withdrawn

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:50 (six years ago)

Everyone who has been dissuaded from voting Tory because of Islamophobia has already done so

True with Labour and antisemitism too no?

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:53 (six years ago)

True but that was avoidable.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:56 (six years ago)

could dissuade some social liberals returning to the party to support remain. also destabilises the campaign; demotivates activists; and, is hard to pivot it into any of their core themes.

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 08:58 (six years ago)

660k voter registrations yesterday

What level of comparability to 2017 is there here? This sounds like a lot of people, but then what matters the number in marginals (and not falling into trap of just assuming they're registering to vote for Labour. Caveat, I am inside this trap right now please help)

― anvil, Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:14 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

660,000 register to vote on deadline day

About 660,000 people registered to vote yesterday, the deadline for the 12 December election, of whom almost 460,000 were under 35, according to official statistics.

The numbers of last-minute registrations were even higher than in 2017, when 622,000 people registered to vote on 22 May, of which about 450,000 were under 35.

Those numbers were cited at the time as partly responsible for the “youthquake” that gave Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party its highest share of the vote and first gain in seats since the 2001 election. Younger voters skew heavily towards Labour.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:00 (six years ago)

^^ graun

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:00 (six years ago)

Front pages are a right butchering today. Telegraph: "Corbyn refuses to apologise to Jews".

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:02 (six years ago)

xps to Calz this social media stuff is DIFFICULT

It is not the first time Mr McCartney has come under fire for his Twitter activity.

In 2014, he said his account had been hacked , blaming Twitter security changes, after he was accused of "favouriting" a pornographic image.

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:02 (six years ago)

whoever coached him for the neil interview (milne? schneider?) needs a good punt in the balls

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:10 (six years ago)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50567979

hell of a way to report the scrapping of the married couples tax break.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:27 (six years ago)

I am having a bbc blackout for a few days, even if I just stick with WS some GE report will end up enraging me. It feels good to be not wishing death upon Nick Robinson every morning - even though I do genuinely hope he dies!

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:32 (six years ago)

Matt & barcode otm. This should've been handled so much better – from beginning to end.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:36 (six years ago)

could dissuade some social liberals returning to the party to support remain. also destabilises the campaign; demotivates activists; and, is hard to pivot it into any of their core themes.

― tony blair electric chair (||||||||),

Yes, it isn't persuading anyone to change their mind as minds are already made up. But it takes up some of the airtime that might have gone to health, education or jobs.

Pointless trying to hit Boris with Islamophobia, Islamophobia is a vote winner - especially when served up with cake and eat it plausible deniability

anvil, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:36 (six years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/27/parts-of-england-have-higher-mortality-rates-than-turkey

Fuck this clickbait. Their Romanian point of comparison is Vâlcea, which has one of the lowest mortality rates in the entire country.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:39 (six years ago)

Everyone who has been dissuaded from voting Tory because of Islamophobia has already done so. Doesn't mean it shljdlnt be covered, but better to attack Johnson on his long history of anti-black racism, Windrush, and the obvious gigantic holes in the Get Brexit Done argument.

The fact that Andrew Neil's personal life was the itself the subject of mockery at Private Eye for years probably means he won't be asking Boris how many children he thinks he has. Having said that, I fully expect our Prime Minister to get a good kicking.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:40 (six years ago)

Life expectancy in Romania hovers around 75. It's 80 in Vâlcea so wtf do you expect.

xp

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:40 (six years ago)

Misread that as 'higher morality rate'.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:44 (six years ago)

The Guardian almost never links to these reports, at least this one was relatively easy to google.

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/state-of-the-north-2019

They've done others with similar cherry picked stats from reports that weren't easy to find, frustrating

anvil, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:49 (six years ago)

The North East and the North West's life expectancies – the lowest in the UK – are 77.9 and 78.2, respectively, which already puts them ahead of Romania's (75), Turkey's (76.4) and Poland's (77.8), albeit just barely. There are other, better ways of highlighting the scourge of inequality in England.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 09:59 (six years ago)

Britain, sorry.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:00 (six years ago)

Almost a clean sweep of the front pages in the morning for the @afneil interview with @jeremycorbyn - only pesky Daily Star swerved it I gather. Political interviews really matter and make a difference.

— Rob Burley (@RobBurl) November 26, 2019

I doubt it tbh. Can't remember many political careers being finished by an interview.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:05 (six years ago)

Agreed that Labour have bungled the anti-semitism issue badly but don't think an apology on Andrew Neil would have done much of anything - ppl could very reasonably see it as opportunistic electioneering and the papers would go with "CROMBY'S FLUBBED APOLOGY" instead. If apologies are to be given that should be done at an event relating to the community imo.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:05 (six years ago)

"pesky Daily Star"

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:07 (six years ago)

Whereas not dealing with the public matters a bit more.

At the moment AS would work to demoralise activists more than anything. Which is sad in its own way. But they are pretty much keeping their heads down and working. Just over two weeks to narrow the gap by 5 points (if the polls are to be believed)

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:12 (six years ago)

he should have apologised because it would have been the right thing to do. irrespective of headlines/electoral calculus etc

it has been notable that BJ has not leaned into the same performative hysterics on this issue that eg michael gove has because he knows his own flank is badly exposed. expect both parties to try move off this terrain today

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:12 (six years ago)

Thanks for linking to that State of the North report Anvil!

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:15 (six years ago)

he should have apologised because it would have been the right thing to do. irrespective of headlines/electoral calculus etc

Notice my post didn't just include electoral calculus but also the fact that if he had done so it would register as opportunistic and insincere. If an apology is worth making it is also worth making in a credible fashion and that is a moral stance as much as a strategic one. A Marr interview would not have been that.

I mean really if Johnson apologised for the letterbox comments on Marr (fat chance, I know) do you think any muslim would take it seriously?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:16 (six years ago)

The North East and the North West's life expectancies – the lowest in the UK – are 77.9 and 78.2, respectively, which already puts them ahead of Romania's (75), Turkey's (76.4) and Poland's (77.8), albeit just barely. There are other, better ways of highlighting the scourge of inequality in England.

I'm assuming they didn't bother doing Scotland. The life expectancy for men in (Greater) Glasgow is 71.6.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:16 (six years ago)

looking at it from basic “how media works” perspective - he’s going to continue to be asked for an apology anyway so why not get it out the way. CORBYN CONTINUES TO REFUSE APOLOGY is nagl

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:17 (six years ago)

I see they didn't, so talking in terms of the UK seems a bit off. (xp)

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:18 (six years ago)

Yes he should've apologised (as I was saying on the anti-Semitism thread last night).

Tory Islamophobia will not get the same scrutiny, not will Neil's prodding on it get as widely reported. It's what we face.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

Evolve Politics
@evolvepolitics

5m
This is absolutely astonishing. Jeremy Corbyn has over 400 pages of entirely unredacted government documents confirming that the Tories have put the NHS on the table and it will be up for sale after Brexit under the Tories.

The unredacted documents confirm that the Tories have discussed medicine pricing with major US pharma corporations.

According to Corbyn, discussions on drug pricing are already at an advanced stage and agreements have already been made.

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

If Boris was asked to apologize for Islamophobia and refused, muslims would definitely take note of it.

Is anyone claiming you can only apologize for something one time in one place?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:19 (six years ago)

boris has been repeatedly asked for apologies (including during this election) and he has refused. nothing has come of it in the press but voters see him

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:21 (six years ago)

"If Boris was asked to apologize for Islamophobia and refused, muslims would definitely take note of it."

Lol

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:23 (six years ago)

The life expectancy for men in (Greater) Glasgow is 71.6.

Interesting, I wasn't familiar with the 'Glasgow effect'. If we go by cities, Satu Mare is the worst offender in Romania (73.2 irrespective of gender, 69.3 for men).

pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:23 (six years ago)

Boris is such a trustworthy guy. And it's brown ppl, they'll lap anything up! xp

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:24 (six years ago)

There was that famous report a few years back that claimed life expectancy in Calton for men was 54 - don't know how accurate it was though!

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:25 (six years ago)

get his ass

Breaking:

Corbyn brandishes 450 pages of leaked documents about preliminary “secret” trade talks between US and UK in which Washington demands access to NHS for American healthcare companies pic.twitter.com/wXZDnOJj23

— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 27, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:25 (six years ago)

yikes - that’s a banger. we’re not going down without a fight

tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 10:26 (six years ago)


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