Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Yes, they thought they could get him on that only to find out no-one really gives that much of a shit about the IRA anymore, Martin McGuinness is just some Irish politician who met the Queen or something, and there's millions of voters for whom the Troubles is ancient history.

There were deffo a load of the usual cunts trying to own Corbyn when Martin McG died.

Did people see the footage of Corbyn arriving at the Labour event today where he was surrounded by a scrum of meatheads who pushed yelling past his wife and separated her from him?

Schrodingers Corbyn, he both keeps seeing off centrist parties and is also so useless we need a centrist party. Please subscribe to my podcast for more takes like these. pic.twitter.com/aVfTuSy6JL

— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) November 27, 2019

I'll kill this deluded melt arsehole last

Andrew Neil is perhaps not the person who should be demanding Jeremy Corbyn apologise to Jewish people: after all, he paid David Irving to translate Goebbels’ diaries, holds dinners for Orban supporters and their affiliated think tanks and employs antisemites as Spectator columnists. He literally signs Taki’s cheques. Corbyn’s ‘don’t do personal’ stance is laudable but I would really like to see someone with a decent platform bring this up.

DIdn't see the interview how did it go? Were any other topics covered?

All of this stuff matters and is pertinent - and yes apologising falls into Andrew Neil's twatty elephant trap but failing to do it creates 24hrs worth of avoidable terrible headlines on the only wedge issue that seems to be working and also falls into the twatty elephant trap.

How hard would it have been to have said what he's said in the past - ie "we got it wrong, the response hasn't been good enough, we've dealt with it, we apologise and you have nothing to fear from us". Or any answer that might have defused the question rather than amplifying it.

660k voter registrations yesterday

kantar unweighted poll has LAB 1pt down. turnout will be key. GOTV operation has to be massive from momentum and the party

matt DC otm

turns out neil may have had his facts wrong on the two members’ cases he cited? claims both resigned immediately

thank god we have twitter/facebook etc now to combat a lot of this stuff

You'd expect Neil to give Swinson a savaging but following those two interviews up with a session of Spectator lads bantz with Johnson would do the BBC more harm than good so you've got to hope that Boris turns in an absolute car crash.

660k voter registrations yesterday

What level of comparability to 2017 is there here? This sounds like a lot of people, but then what matters the number in marginals (and not falling into trap of just assuming they're registering to vote for Labour. Caveat, I am inside this trap right now please help)

his interview last time is famous for the GATT article 5(b) clip. would expect him to go in hard on BJ too. not sure andrew “the spectator” neil will have a dossier on islamophobia mind.

Swinson didn’t turn up for hustings in Kirkintilloch. .....a hustings which many said SNP won well.Swinson made a bad mistake. At the weekend she saw her lead cut from 12 points to just four with momentum now for SNP and against Swinson. She’s in big trouble.

— Grey Panther (@Anderston42) November 26, 2019

I said on here the media would play fast and loose w purdah this time round but genuinely did not expect some of the stuff that’s been coming out the BBC. don’t know why really - we saw how they behaved during indyref. wonder if that might even move some ex-LAB now-SNP votes towards us.

Everyone who has been dissuaded from voting Tory because of Islamophobia has already done so. Doesn't mean it shljdlnt be covered, but better to attack Johnson on his long history of anti-black racism, Windrush, and the obvious gigantic holes in the Get Brexit Done argument.

Oh also the Russia dossier which everyone appears to have agreed not to talk about.

Karl McCartney was @Conservatives MP from 2010, lost in 2017
Since 2018 he has for a “sustained period” retweeted "far-right propaganda" from Tommy Robinson & Katie Hopkins @hopenothate
In 2019 we think him fit for office -meet our candidate in Lincoln 🤦🏽‍♀️https://t.co/YyInU5x4MV

— Sayeeda Warsi (@SayeedaWarsi) November 26, 2019

sometimes you do have to agree with a tory when she keeps repeating the message that her party has a huge Islamophobia problem and is doing nothing about it. That he's still running as a candidate should be a scandal.

that guys in a marginal - no way he’s getting withdrawn

Everyone who has been dissuaded from voting Tory because of Islamophobia has already done so

True with Labour and antisemitism too no?

True but that was avoidable.

could dissuade some social liberals returning to the party to support remain. also destabilises the campaign; demotivates activists; and, is hard to pivot it into any of their core themes.

660k voter registrations yesterday

What level of comparability to 2017 is there here? This sounds like a lot of people, but then what matters the number in marginals (and not falling into trap of just assuming they're registering to vote for Labour. Caveat, I am inside this trap right now please help)

― anvil, Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:14 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

660,000 register to vote on deadline day

About 660,000 people registered to vote yesterday, the deadline for the 12 December election, of whom almost 460,000 were under 35, according to official statistics.

The numbers of last-minute registrations were even higher than in 2017, when 622,000 people registered to vote on 22 May, of which about 450,000 were under 35.

Those numbers were cited at the time as partly responsible for the “youthquake” that gave Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party its highest share of the vote and first gain in seats since the 2001 election. Younger voters skew heavily towards Labour.

^^ graun

Front pages are a right butchering today. Telegraph: "Corbyn refuses to apologise to Jews".

xps to Calz this social media stuff is DIFFICULT

It is not the first time Mr McCartney has come under fire for his Twitter activity.

In 2014, he said his account had been hacked , blaming Twitter security changes, after he was accused of "favouriting" a pornographic image.

whoever coached him for the neil interview (milne? schneider?) needs a good punt in the balls

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50567979

hell of a way to report the scrapping of the married couples tax break.

I am having a bbc blackout for a few days, even if I just stick with WS some GE report will end up enraging me. It feels good to be not wishing death upon Nick Robinson every morning - even though I do genuinely hope he dies!

Matt & barcode otm. This should've been handled so much better – from beginning to end.

could dissuade some social liberals returning to the party to support remain. also destabilises the campaign; demotivates activists; and, is hard to pivot it into any of their core themes.

― tony blair electric chair (||||||||),

Yes, it isn't persuading anyone to change their mind as minds are already made up. But it takes up some of the airtime that might have gone to health, education or jobs.

Pointless trying to hit Boris with Islamophobia, Islamophobia is a vote winner - especially when served up with cake and eat it plausible deniability

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/27/parts-of-england-have-higher-mortality-rates-than-turkey

Fuck this clickbait. Their Romanian point of comparison is Vâlcea, which has one of the lowest mortality rates in the entire country.

Everyone who has been dissuaded from voting Tory because of Islamophobia has already done so. Doesn't mean it shljdlnt be covered, but better to attack Johnson on his long history of anti-black racism, Windrush, and the obvious gigantic holes in the Get Brexit Done argument.

The fact that Andrew Neil's personal life was the itself the subject of mockery at Private Eye for years probably means he won't be asking Boris how many children he thinks he has. Having said that, I fully expect our Prime Minister to get a good kicking.

Life expectancy in Romania hovers around 75. It's 80 in Vâlcea so wtf do you expect.

xp

Misread that as 'higher morality rate'.

The Guardian almost never links to these reports, at least this one was relatively easy to google.

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/state-of-the-north-2019

They've done others with similar cherry picked stats from reports that weren't easy to find, frustrating

The North East and the North West's life expectancies – the lowest in the UK – are 77.9 and 78.2, respectively, which already puts them ahead of Romania's (75), Turkey's (76.4) and Poland's (77.8), albeit just barely. There are other, better ways of highlighting the scourge of inequality in England.

Britain, sorry.

Almost a clean sweep of the front pages in the morning for the @afneil interview with @jeremycorbyn - only pesky Daily Star swerved it I gather. Political interviews really matter and make a difference.

— Rob Burley (@RobBurl) November 26, 2019

I doubt it tbh. Can't remember many political careers being finished by an interview.

Agreed that Labour have bungled the anti-semitism issue badly but don't think an apology on Andrew Neil would have done much of anything - ppl could very reasonably see it as opportunistic electioneering and the papers would go with "CROMBY'S FLUBBED APOLOGY" instead. If apologies are to be given that should be done at an event relating to the community imo.

"pesky Daily Star"

Whereas not dealing with the public matters a bit more.

At the moment AS would work to demoralise activists more than anything. Which is sad in its own way. But they are pretty much keeping their heads down and working. Just over two weeks to narrow the gap by 5 points (if the polls are to be believed)

he should have apologised because it would have been the right thing to do. irrespective of headlines/electoral calculus etc

it has been notable that BJ has not leaned into the same performative hysterics on this issue that eg michael gove has because he knows his own flank is badly exposed. expect both parties to try move off this terrain today

Thanks for linking to that State of the North report Anvil!

he should have apologised because it would have been the right thing to do. irrespective of headlines/electoral calculus etc

Notice my post didn't just include electoral calculus but also the fact that if he had done so it would register as opportunistic and insincere. If an apology is worth making it is also worth making in a credible fashion and that is a moral stance as much as a strategic one. A Marr interview would not have been that.

I mean really if Johnson apologised for the letterbox comments on Marr (fat chance, I know) do you think any muslim would take it seriously?

The North East and the North West's life expectancies – the lowest in the UK – are 77.9 and 78.2, respectively, which already puts them ahead of Romania's (75), Turkey's (76.4) and Poland's (77.8), albeit just barely. There are other, better ways of highlighting the scourge of inequality in England.

I'm assuming they didn't bother doing Scotland. The life expectancy for men in (Greater) Glasgow is 71.6.

looking at it from basic “how media works” perspective - he’s going to continue to be asked for an apology anyway so why not get it out the way. CORBYN CONTINUES TO REFUSE APOLOGY is nagl

I see they didn't, so talking in terms of the UK seems a bit off. (xp)

Yes he should've apologised (as I was saying on the anti-Semitism thread last night).

Tory Islamophobia will not get the same scrutiny, not will Neil's prodding on it get as widely reported. It's what we face.