that's all fairly meaningless when most people are streaming it tho?
not if those people are streaming it to their televisions.
(yes if they're all watching it on their phones, and if none of the other programmes are watched by streaming.)
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, November 25, 2019 1:34 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
most people stream from their laptops in my personal experience though i traditionally do stream from my phone (to chrome cast)
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
and viewing figures don't count people watching on demand content afaict
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:46 (four years ago) link
700K is on par with The Leftovers
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:47 (four years ago) link
I don't think ratings counts streams no matter what? Otherwise Netflix shows would be on there as well.
methodology varies from territory to territory, but in Australian and AFAIK in the US Nielsen counts what's coming out of your TV, not how it gets into it. streams and timeshifts obviously count, or +3 and +7 and +28 wouldn't be recorded at all.
Netflix don't count towards VOSDAL because they don't collaborate with Nielsen, therefore premiere-day views can't be captured. Nielsen do internal measurement of some Netflix programming, not all, but it can't be compared with VOSDAL after the fact.
(Nielsen also do measure viewing on non-TV devices, but it's a much smaller subset of their TV panels, and demographically harder to recruit.)
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
if the viewer is chromecasting from their laptop to their TV, that's exactly the same as chromecasting from their phone to their TV.
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
i know
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
people also just plug their laptops into their tvs i find
again, Nielsen count what comes out of the TV, not how it gets there, in the 2010s
if you mean pay-per-view boxing matches, that's a situation where the provider knows exactly how many demanders they're servicing already, so no need to pay Nielsen to tell them. if you mean catch-up, BARB have been counting timeshifting since VHS, let alone DVR.
(if you mean digital movie rentals, then ppl could accidentally count towards a cable telecast of the same movie, if one happened to take place during the same week they rent the movie, but it's a pretty small statistical anomaly, and a tiny portion of cable companies' business anyway)
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
i mean if you watch tv on demand on your tv
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
(from a cable box)
which is not "timeshifting"
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
solid derail sic, doing god's work itt
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
sicbot
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
are the "TV on demand" programmes different programmes from the ones that the cable companies have available for streaming and scheduled telecast?
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
This sic derail is good not bad imo. Much better than last sic derail which was less good more bad imo.
― Frederik B, Monday, 25 November 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, November 25, 2019 2:44 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
my point is you are talking about viewing figures which are exclusively live viewing figures of tv shows as they are broadcast
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:53 (four years ago) link
which is not how the majority of people watch tv
(before i get sic'd - accurately for once and not just spamming irrelevancies which is the trend - most people probably do still watch tv live, a sizable minority do not tho)
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
my point is you are talking about viewing figures which are exclusively live viewing figures of tv shows as they are broadcastno they aren’t and therefore no I’m notthusly suspect you’re incorrect abt timeshifting too
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
the figure you cited of 700k who watched the latest episode of watchmen is the people who watched that show broadcast on hbo at that time
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link
only one of the letters in VOSDAL stands for "live"
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link
VOSDAL stands for Viewing On Same Day As Live. VOSDAL includes timeshift viewing that occurs on the same day as the original broadcast. This is included in the overnight files released at 9.30am the following day. For example, if a film starts at 5.30pm and is recorded for viewing later the same evening, say 9.00pm, this viewing is captured and reported in the overnight file published the following day.
yeah, so it counts people who tivo'd it
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:11 (four years ago) link
yep, and streamed via TV
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link
(but ratings are best measured by comparison to other programmes, and to themselves week by week, rather than in raw numbers. which is why I looked up its position relative to other Sunday night US cable programming.)
― insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:39 (four years ago) link
Re Dan, the story is that he along with Laurie did heroic things (during which their relationship fell apart, due to her being haunted by her erotic Manhattan fascination) until they thwarted McVeigh in Oklahoma City but were apprehended – Laurie cut a deal, but Dan, thinking about his old buddy, got on a high horse and went to federal prison rather than compromise. In Laurie's conversation with the Senator he dangles the possibility of getting Dan out with a pardon were he to become President
Fairly underwhelmed by this episode, not because I didn't enjoy it or that it wasn't well-made, but because so much of it was predictable (at least to someone who ♫ should really just relax ♫ regarding the show), hypnosis being the weapon of choice aside. I was hoping the flashbacks would give us some bits about the Trieu deal. I'm glad the reception seems really positive, though, and retconning a character who was definitely an undeveloped cypher in the original is a great concept
Unclear why Reeves needs Nostalgia – it's not like his memories aren't searing. Is the only reason that the pills exist is so we can do Eternal Sunshine flashbacks? (Also, if you can buy hypnosis Maglites over the counter at Ace Hardware we are all fucked)
There are a whole lot of spinning plates that need to come back down in three episodes, looking forward to it
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:46 (four years ago) link
Oh man I don’t know why I thought there were 12 eps to this thing. I figured we were halfway in and this was the perfect episode to me in that context. Now I just feel like the rest of it will be a hurried mess.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:02 (four years ago) link
Xpost I thought Reeves wanted Angela to take the Nostalgia, as Trieu was making her own daughter suffer her memories
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
the fight choreography in the latest (very good) episode was pretty remarkable
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
I noticed that cause it was pretty lackluster in the earlier eps
― Simon H., Tuesday, 26 November 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
Dunno, the fights in American Hero Story have been consistently hilarious. But yeah, these ones were legitimately good.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah, I specifically meant the "real-life" fights; the brief one at the trailer park was especially glaring. The AHS stuff is perfect.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
Agreed on the fight choreography, it's really good and almost makes me forget he can't possibly see very well and someone can grab that noose around his neck any time. Blake had the right idea opting for armor and guns
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
You're probably right that Reeves wanted her to take the pills, he does say she needs to experience something and not hear it
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
Esther Rosenfield on Twitter has the most likely/coherent theory on where this is all headed for the curious.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
that theory seems... eminently plausible
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkDqxCbyGVk
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
snake?!? SNAAAAAAAAKE
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
can't find what you're refering to in the Esther Rosenfield twitter; the Lynch stuff?
― akm, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
oh wait I found it.
― akm, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
telegraphed by the relatively small cast but as soon as I heard “it’s someone in Tulsa” I figured it out, and oh no
― mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
withholding judgment till next week but props to the Reddit sleuths who guessed this many weeks ago
― Simon H., Monday, 2 December 2019 03:32 (four years ago) link
come for the sleuthery, stay for the Excalibur joke
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 December 2019 06:14 (four years ago) link
on one hand the focus on Vietnam is just what I was hoping for, otoh there are a lot of ways this could go very wrong. I'd be curious to hear some knowledgable takes on the semi-"Americanized" Saigon depicted
― Simon H., Monday, 2 December 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
― mh, Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:10 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah, as soon as Trieu said this, I said to my wife, "The Law of Economy of Characters says that it's X."
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Monday, 2 December 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link
Immediately thought about how much Sally was lusting after Cal.
― dan selzer, Monday, 2 December 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
Sorry. Laurie.
Show is about race in America = there is a literal elephant in the room
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 2 December 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
never forgets
― mh, Monday, 2 December 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
Ok, I love how audacious this show is. On the other hand, let's start wrapping up some loose ends before the last 15 minutes of the series.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link
I mean there aren't *that* many loose ends - the Millenium Clock, Veidt, and the inevitable climactic showdown with the 7th Kavalry, and of course finding out the ballad of Angela/Jon. But that's not so much for two episodes.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:25 (four years ago) link
And lube guy!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 07:57 (four years ago) link