Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Compared to the Labour manifesto, Boris Johnson's plan for the country is a shopping list of promises, not an encyclopaedia of ambitions.

And Boris Johnson called this election because he wants to leave the EU at speed.

Whereas Jeremy Corbyn is, after months of Labour evolving its position, offering another referendum.

That is the clear difference between the two big parties this time.

guess who

Kuenssberg?

bingo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50540099

BBC just showed vox pops with a voter loath to vote Labour because of Corbyn. The voter was a Labour Party member.

Ugh with all this manufacturing consent/dissent delete as applicable.

... let's not forget the woman who said she liked Boris, she didn't trust him but she liked him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still, 'appen as like this election could see the end of that red-tinted glasses pie-in-the-sky stuff about how t' Northerners won't vote Tory on pain of death.

going door to door telling stupid bastards "don't worry we'll still have nukes" yay politics

In The North it's like how *forget which dodgy french writer posited* in occupied France there was a sexually masochistic element of submission in some collaborators meek subservience to forces out to absolutely fucking destroy them

That Kuenssberg graf isn't so bad. imo this is the egregious one:

Vote to leave the EU at speed, and enact the 2016 referendum, or choose Labour to push for another big national ballot, and plump for the chance to stay.

Corby's literally just said he's not plumping either way. It was national news. On her network. And, assuming 'enact' is the right word to use about a non-binding referendum that offered a simple in-or-out question, surely any Labour-negotiated deal would also be, in effect, 'enacting' the 2016 referendum? But that doesn't suit the neat distinction she's trying to make. That, as it happens, is also the distinction Boris Johnson's been trying to make, famously, tendentiously, for weeks now.

The totally unstaged photo accompanying that article:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/FB7D/production/_109818346_5c34a7cf-a33d-42b3-a8b0-d37fa817aea4.jpg

such complacency to put out such a shite manifesto. This 50000 nurses thing has unravelled in good fashion. "Well no we can't give you a blood transfusion, we'll just persuade your blood with words not to gush out of your gaping wound". Nothing on social care. Oh lord anyone repping for this shit under the slightest amount of scrutiny will sound just as flustered and unconvincing as Nicky Morgan just did.

mind you at least it has a proposed ban on people keeping primates as pets, yes watch out billionaire oligarchs they'll be coming for your illegal zebras next.

Health tourism, as we know, doesn't actually cost the country very much money.

The cost to the NHS of people coming to Britain specifically to have medical procedures and then not paying us back is between £100m and £300m a year.

That puts it in the same ballpark as the NHS stationery budget (£100m).

Or the cost to the health service of people not turning up for appointments (£216m).

On one hand, the benefit of not cracking down on them is that it maintains the principle of the NHS being universal and free at the point of need.

On the other hand, it makes great headlines about foreigners coming here and cheating the system.

In any case, the Tories are doubling the budget of the 'health tourism enforcement unit'. We can find no record of any such unit, or what its budget might be.

that burning issue of health tourism that keeps UKIP voters awake at night.

It's like they're taking the piss with this manifesto. I don't know what sort of polling they're getting from the land of I've Voted Labour All Me Life But... but they obviously think they just need to show up on the day to get a majority.

Tony Blair weighs in...

The Labour party manifesto is heralded by its leadership as the most radical ever.

This is true. It promises a revolution; and if implemented it would indeed amount to one. I won’t go through the list of spending pledges, but they’re combined with renationalisation, repeal of union laws, new taxes on business, taking parts of a company’s shareholding into government mandated funds, a stack of new corporate and private sector regulation, and virtually every demand that any pressure group has ever submitted chucked in for good measure.

... I know, great stuff, innit Tony?

It's like they're taking the piss with this manifesto. I don't know what sort of polling they're getting from the land of I've Voted Labour All Me Life But... but they obviously think they just need to show up on the day to get a majority.

― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 09:31 (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah there's a 2017 reminiscent hubris and it does seem that once again if the Tory wheels are going to fall off it's going to start now

I was expecting at least one or perhaps a few boldly populist New Labour type policies, it's thin gruel and full of dodgy numbers - like the 50000 nurses thing, which has immediately unravelled before the ink is even dry. They obv think Get Brexit Done and a few spending increases to public services they have completely fucked for the last decade and one-off bribes to dilapidated brexit voting towns is enough manifesto for one election.

And they very well might be right.

It's almost like Blair is discovering aloud what an opposition party looks like for the first time in his life.

Lol @ Blair's speech just being to Reuters. What an attention seeker.

I've got a Tory leaflet that was addressed to the vile curtain twitching snoop next door but one. It would been wasted anyway because she is 1000% a Tory voter. Around the time of the Shannon Matthews thing and the area was crawling with Sun reporters she give them a hackneyed bigot quote about how there are too many benefits scroungers and they are too lazy to even cut their hedges!

when we lived in Ely we had a patch of grass in front of our house but didn't own a mower, also a small hedge next to the garage, but obviously no hedge trimmer. the next door neighbours put rude notes through our door saying "CUT YOUR GRASS NOW" and called the estate agent to demand we trim the hedge. they had a mower and hedge trimmers and lived next door in the end of the terrace, but they wouldn't so much as knock on our door and speak to us in person. 100% sure they are tory voters.
An Indian family living in our old house now, hope the neighbours are profoundly unhappy about it, might go and tell the Indian family that their garage door key opens both garages.

I use a yahoo.co.uk address for spam needs and usually the main page is full of outrage clickbait for pensioners but today's top story is "Boris Johnson knows he's going to lose the election, that's why the manifesto is so weak". Wonder what the demographic reasoning for that was.

The potholes thing in the manifesto is making me increasingly cross. As Bush put it this morning, they're "the most visible sign for most Conservative voters of a neglected public realm".

How fucking isolated from the state the country is in do you have to be to rank potholes the highest priority, and how evil a government do you have to be to choose that as your sticking plaster?

the country isn't in a state except for important stuff like not damaging my car, there's only the hard done-by comfortable and the undeserving poor who scrounge off them

even when they can't bring themselves to fully express it, the amount of people in the world who believe deep down that poverty is only caused by personal moral shiftlessness is tremendous, maybe insurmountably so, because it includes plenty of people in some degree of poverty.

which means "make the country better for (other) people" is never enough of a sell on its own terms. tbf the Labour manifesto goes beyond that but its still tied to it, probably has to be.

Potholes I'd almost the ultimate "managing decline" policy.

I think this is good to remember if Labour bomb on the 12th. Certainly have almost no problems on where I am at.

The Lib Dem manifesto is also a useful insight into what the Labour Party might have been like if the MPs who led the attempts to get rid of Corbyn had succeeded https://t.co/aYfe4dJUGM

— Ellie Mae O'Hagan 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (@MissEllieMae) November 25, 2019

"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense."

I wonder if. when Nicky Morgan was starting out in her political career, she ever envisaged a path which ended in becoming a mindless conduit to some of the most farcically dishonest electioneering in British history?

A shameful way to bow out.pic.twitter.com/1OSF7sdQWy

— Graham Lithgow (@grahamlithgow) November 25, 2019

Wow.

putting out such a thin gruel manifesto could be a strategic error imo. much easier to draw a clear dividing line between “steady as she goes” and “kick the bastards out”

It was interesting to see how Johnson sets out to deceive in the QT debate (that and the pork barrel politics Fizzles talked about before ("I will sort out your school" etc. Literally buying votes on air is banana republic stuff)). Calling him Trump is lazy, but I also this Orwellian stuff doesn't quite capture it either. I would need to re-watch QT and think it through more carefully but no time right now.

I was practicing mobile canvassing the other day and spoke to a border control officer while queuing to enter the UK. He volunteered the following: “I don’t trust polls. I trust people. They are not stupid. They will not let the Tories get away with this.” Trust your sources?

— Lea Ypi (@lea_ypi) November 25, 2019

The argument in the kuenssberg article would be poor at undergraduate level: her conclusion (this is about brexit promises) has nothing to do with what she sets up in the first part (very different promises in manifesto) and in fact contradicts the conclusion she seems to be implying up until that point.

I do find her weird BBC stylesheet one sentence paragraphs hypnotically meaningless and it was that that identified the author for me primarily.

An FB pal spotted something interesting about the Tory manifesto link that Laura K tweeted yesterday afternoon (which had the dodgiest looking URL so far this campaign):

Not many tweets this afternoon as signal pretty bad here - but here is link to Tory manifesto https://t.co/UwZ14I40WN

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 24, 2019

So the URL in that link is : https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1i9FDFkAc9HmE2QRmq4gJl6rehAJPJvzK3gaNOKZch5De7JjSGjw4hqkg

A quick search for the 'whois' information for that site shows it was registered on January 19 in Panama: https://www.whois.com/whois/website-files.com

https://www.countbinface.com/manifesto

1. London Bridge to be renamed ‘Phoebe Waller’.

that's not how you write Ross Kemp to be pushed into the pit.

5. Ross Kemp to be the next poet laureate

otm

Apropos of nothing, Ceefax should be brought back imo

I’m not sure what’s going on but I like it

Has she registered to vote??... 👀😂

Do it here - it's so easy 👉 https://t.co/C4JFnj6qE1 pic.twitter.com/3yDoFkh0Lx

— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) November 24, 2019

My take on the Conservative manifesto.

- If they win, forget Boris Johnson's talk of tax cuts and get ready for 5 years of Tory tax rises

Five reasons why

— Chris Giles (@ChrisGiles_) November 24, 2019

Jude is back

I mean that might be the case. This is a more interesting assessment

What strikes me about the Tory manifesto and its almost complete lack of a political programme is that it’s not so much cover for a hard-right project as Johnson indicating he’s willing to be pushed into whatever circumstances dictate.

— Daniel Trilling (@trillingual) November 25, 2019

"that" -- the tax rises. More that it points to how easily things will break for everyone and that keeping left post-election is what Labour need to do

I don't really know what that assets-global.website-files.com thing is all about, just looks like a linkdump kind of thing. it is sorta weird though

467 results in GitHub for various things

https://github.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fassets-global.website-files.com&type=Code

a lot of which look legit, things like data about Wreathed Hornbills

https://assets-global.website-files.com/57dc5ba03bd579bc1ed6eab6/59c118ae314bfc0001fdc751_chicken-2648025_1280-vegan-plant-based.jpg

Yeah there are all sorts of random NFL related links, Italian & Russian pdfs and the like if you google 'site:assets-global.website-files.com'

It just struck me as a weird as hell domain for an official party manifesto to be dropped from?

Could it not be some cloud service (certain Tory) ppl use to store documents? Hence the long ass number hash starting every file.

Googling 'brexit', 'Corbyn' w/ the added 'site:assets-global.website-files.com' only hurls up Tory takes on the subject matter.

Your search - blobby site:assets-global.website-files.com - did not match any documents.