Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

just realised the WASPI policy is launching on same day as tory manifesto. sneaky

I didn't realise boris did a u-turn on a previous hollow commitment to the waspi women. excellent

johnson approval rating over JC has dropped from 45pts to 24pts over the past four weeks in the latest deltapoll (which has CON lead at 13pts)

Ugh is Jo Swinson one of those Apprentice-style assholes who always uses ‘myself’ when ‘me’ would be sufficient? See also: people who call the ground ‘floor’.

a chilling vision of the future

corbyn, in his IRA balaclava, breaks into the home of a landlord to steal ALL of the 80k earnings that he keeps in cash. it will be used to build a solid gold statue of marx pissing on thatcher

“but please, my children will starve” begs the landlord

“FUCK THEM!” corbyn screams

— twigs (@notpixietit) November 22, 2019

This is it? this?. Twice as much for pot holes as childcare and ... nothing else?

45% of the country must really want Brexit very, very badly.

NEW: KEY TORY MANIFESTO PLEDGES

- WAB back before Christmas
- No increases to income tax, national insurance or VAT
- NI threshold raised to £9,500
- £2bn pothole fund
-end car parking charges for NHS staff on night shifts/families of terminally ill
-£1bn for childcare

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) November 23, 2019

Ugh is Jo Swinson one of those Apprentice-style assholes who always uses ‘myself’ when ‘me’ would be sufficient? See also: people who call the ground ‘floor’.

Makes more sense in Glaswegian: “the election is expected to be close between masel' n' the fuckin' SNP.”

Fuck me @ the end car parking policy

Wonder if they'll work out a rebate system for hospital visitors whose loved one isn't terminal when they go in

sorry everyone i’m voting tory

pothole fund could destroy local government as we know it

UK pollsters have tiny samples and are allowed ‘push’ questions. In the US, push-polling is illegal.

― santa clause four (suzy), Saturday, November 23, 2019 2:20 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

push polling is not legal in the US afaict.

i think the main reason UK polling is not a good predictor of results is that there are lots of viable parties. this massively increases the number of ways a pollster can get things wrong, and the "right" way to address that challenge varies geographically (which makes it hard, and also requires bigger samples).

i mean the lib dems aren't a viable party, but there are others.

Good news! A new MRP model by Datapraxis shows that the Liberal Democrats could defeat Dominic Raab and Labour could defeat Boris Johnson. Bad news! Uh, it also shows a Tory majority of 48: https://t.co/70amBHSi6x

— Stephen Bush (@stephenkb) November 23, 2019

I mean it's an incredibly lolsome piece of reporting. Priti Patel as PM on that wafer thin manifesto!

I had to get a refund at the hospital car park as a user of a&e last week, this involved getting my ticket stamped by the hospital receptionist, not paying when I got back into the car park, instead just finding my car, driving to the exit and parking nearby, walking to the service desk and getting a replacement discounted ticket, *then* going and paying, then going back to my car and leaving in the usual way. None of this was signposted or explained anywhere, I had to go back and find someone in a&e to explain it to me, they were a bit busy obviously. Still paid over £5 for a couple of hours parking.

This is the kind of thing NHS staff on night shifts / families of terminally ill have to look forward to is it?

Tory manifesto looks astonishingly all-purpose crap: crap if you're leftwing, crap if you want to have a transformative right-wing government, really only good if you like boomers and increasing government debt.

— Stephen Bush (@stephenkb) November 23, 2019

Interesting point by James Mills that Johnson is beginning to morph into the robotic Theresa May, endlessly repeating the same slogans. https://t.co/7X4HXNhi5n

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) November 23, 2019

McD quite correct

That's been the case for a while - the big warning sign that he's been repeating most of May's mistakes but I also think he may be more able to get away with it than she was.

The biggest worry for him so far as that audiences literally start laughing when he answers a question about trust and honesty.

No worries, the BBC can edit out the laughter

Did the BBC really do this? So shocking if true. https://t.co/NlxMfNE30Z

— Peter Oborne (@OborneTweets) November 23, 2019

Here we have the fantastic @AngelaRayner discussing the manifesto using sign language with a voter - she never fails to amaze me 🌹
View it here 👉🏻 https://t.co/BpHrPZW5Yd#manifesto #Labour @GrahamJones_MP @Azhar4Pendle @labourpress @UKLabour @Hyndburn_Labour @DisabilityLab pic.twitter.com/Y4lPC9JhvD

— Kimberley Whitehead (@WalkOnBRFC) November 23, 2019

Rayner often gets a lot of classist sneering (with a bit of misogyny thrown in) because her background and accent obv mean she is thick, but how many of these fuckers know how to campaign in sign language?

Tremendous from Rayner. What a woman.

Saw that BBC thing doing the rounds yesterday but I wonder if that is always the usual type of edit for news items rather than something ideologically motivated. Trust in them is incredibly low though, and its against a left that is rightly wary.

well at least 6 million people saw the live program with the derisory laughter when boris answers a question on trust and integrity. They can't edit our short term memories yet!

4.2 I think - much less than watched the ITV debate - though double the QT avg

someone did say 6m, thought it sounded too high. 4.2 still impressive for such garbage!

Much sneering at the “£2bn pothole fund”. People *really* care about potholes.

— Duncan Weldon (@DuncanWeldon) November 24, 2019

the real question is: do automatons that have learned to imitate some human behaviours and point at potholes count as people?

new polls looking v good for tories and v bad for Labour in scotland and resolutely unshifting for the Labour-Tory gap. i don’t know where you all find your optimism from.

there was at least some poll variance in 2017 but this seems resolutely unfavourable across the board including that MRP tracking done by Datapraxis. (i know it’s still only as good as the data that goes in but still).

that pothole finding thing is a great example of how austerity encourages corrupt/pork barrel politics. no way central government should be doing the crouching and pointing at potholes in the local paper stuff.

I never really have optimism, but if you absolutely accept that Tory scumbags of one form or another will be in govt possibly for decades and even until you die. Then you might start planning for an earlier death!

It's the unreliability of the polls, as was talked on here yesterday and in this twitter thread too.

Trust No Polls. This, categorically, is an outlier, at odds with any other evidence we have. Two million registrations to vote should tell all of us that. What matters in a volatile and low trust environment is the campaign. Keep on keeping on. https://t.co/6H43rlyFBX

— James Meadway (@meadwaj) November 23, 2019

Having said that Survation got it mostly right and if I don't see the numbers shifting then I won't be optimistic (then again what worked then for them might not work now...)

jesus fucking christ the comments why did i?

like to see a convincing explanation about what voting tactically now means given that the likely 3rd place party has already more or less stated that they will give the most vicious and nationalistic Conservative party in modern history carte blanche to do whatever it wants.

This is worth emphasising this morning. Everything depends on how Labour campaigns - right to the end - and the evidence shows we should be energised, not demoralised https://t.co/oebiE5FYAI

— David Wearing (@davidwearing) November 24, 2019

yes need some of this, even if it is rather hopeful and we're all going to die (no lol).

December 13th might be a good day for a statement suicide, maybe in some public space full of gammons

I never really have optimism, but if you absolutely accept that Tory scumbags of one form or another will be in govt possibly for decades and even until you die. Then you might start planning for an earlier death!

Me on December the 13th

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our christmas party on the 13th. i mean i would be getting drunk anyway but by god if i don’t start the lunch with a large tumbler of fernet then carry on in the same vein i’ll be very surprised.

Honestly think I have to stop reading this thread & uninstall twitter til exit poll. It’s doing absolutely nothing for me and I feel sick and anxious every time I think about it.

Can’t do anything to effect outcome, what’s the use?

gotta remind ourselves that there's a bunch of possibilities short of "Johnson gets a workable majority" and a bunch of difficulties beyond "Corbyn becomes next Prime Minister"

however bad it gets the primary job is to keep the Labour party on track which means keeping the melts away tbh

Very much this! Whether we win or lose the end of the road will not be the election outcome.

i think generally speaking it's hugely important that the lib dem vote continues to go down the toilet. swinson has been doing an amazing job on this so far and it doesn't look like they'll float up to the top again any time soon. all those remainish voters she's shedding have got to go somewhere and it surely it won't be the tories will it? that is my one source of hope.

and if everything turns super-bleak there's always the empty satisfaction of Baader-Meinhofing a few fuckers

swinson has still got three weeks of exposure where she'll really have to put herself out there to stop the rot and i think it'll just make things worse for her tbh as she'll continue to be savaged on her previous voting record

I have read alternate takes that a resurgent LibDems is good for Labour in challenging the tories in LibDem/Con marginals. And a tanking LibDems is good for Labour in sending more Remainer votes their way. I'd prefer more of the latter because I'd actually hate to see the 2nd ConDem govt of this century even more than a Tory majority govt or one propped up by the DUP again.

The potholes fund reminds me of John Major's cones hotline, a government without ideas.

climate election... potholes fund... hmmmm

Seriously the sort of cunts who'll think this is a brilliant voteworthy policy would throw a fit if there was talk of throwing £2 billion at public transport

OTM. Nice bit of balanced coverage by Sky with Dia Chakravarty of the Taxpayers Alliance being confronted by John Rentoul and them both agreeing on absolutely everything, with Rentoul drooling - if vampyres can drool - over the possibility of the Tories getting a 200 seat majority.