Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

xp I think the most unsavoury thing about the whole t-shirt thing, besides literally ignoring black people who are angry about it, is the alternative history of the nonstop picket spread by various ne’er do wells and fantasists. This is based on a Telegraph article that distorts the views of the actual historian who wrote it, and a ~popular centrist account that spends all day attacking Corbyn in a really unselfaware pontificating style.

The nonstop picket, as covered in the detailed New Statesman piece about the anti apartheid protests, did conflict with the main ANC protest. But it wasn’t without value or counterproductive to the aims of the movement, as stated in the piece. The main ANC protest focused on Mandela but the nonstop picket was for other prisoners of the apartheid regime.

One of the most high profile was David Kitson.

I leave the rest of this to one of the historians of the movement whose replies have gone ignored.

Hi @RachelRileyRR it's worth pointing out that all of the charges against Jeremy Corbyn and the other arrestees were dropped after it was demonstrated that the ban on anti-apartheid protests was unjustified: https://t.co/IfxigOX7HA

— Gavin Brown (@lestageog) November 21, 2019

Yes, the City of London Anti-Apartheid Group contained members of the Revolutionary Communist Group, but its Non-Stop Picket of the South African Embassy was also sponsored by the Parliamentary Liberal Party and the Bishop of Croydon

— Gavin Brown (@lestageog) November 21, 2019

Jeremy Corbyn first supported City of London Anti-Apartheid Group's campaigns at the request of his constituent, Norma Kitson, a Jewish South African recognised as one of the Jewish heroes of the anti-apartheid struggle pic.twitter.com/kggo2SXgNr

— Gavin Brown (@lestageog) November 21, 2019

She's either thick as a plank or just really is very right-wing and borderline fascist.

it's entirely possible that it's all of the above

aye, it doesn't really need to be either/or

Yair Wallach also very good on this as per. If anyone bitching about twitter links knows a better way of easily accessing educated opinions by SOAS academics, I’m all ears.

The Rachel Riley T-shirt is the best visual illustration of the staggering myopia which characterises some of the response to antisemitism. A thread with some thoughts.

— Yair Wallach (@YairWallach) November 21, 2019

i think SV has it, i'm sure that the tunnel she's gone down was at least informed by antipathy to "extremist" politics but she looks like somebody who really can't bear to be wrong and the continuous doubling down when challenged has driven her into a monomania she won't let herself back out of

yeah, i dunno what else to call it other than radicalisation, sv otm

i read that Yair Wallach thread yesterday and it really is excellent, he calmly and civilly tries to explain why she's wrong without being antagonistic or sarcastic. i'm guessing she hasn't responded.

I'm not sure she's particularly right-wing. She strikes me as unwell and being goaded by a lot of people on the right into increasingly extreme behaviour / positions. It's unfortunate but it's also not worth trying to correct her / argue.

I often notice hyper bigots on forums always have some dubious hackademic longread from the Mail or the Telegraph to back up some unsupportable nonsense they are posting. But these are just racist plebs, when celebs do it and don't seem realise that they will be thoroughly scrutinised or perhaps "bullied" or "trolled" as they would have it. They are doing all their celebrity mystique in by completely revealing how transparently dim and hateful they are. Should just stick to boasting about their rugs in Hello magazine.

I find her genuinely unnerving, much more so than Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins or similar, because those guys have an internal logic, it makes sense, and you expect them to exist.

Riley has a mania about her that's different. ShariVari I think you're right this is what radicalization actually looks like. Less coherent and thought out than a grifter that may or may not believe what they are saying. Weird to see it in a public person not a family member, guess it does belong on the brainworm thread. its no coherent enough to be right wing per se, its the more muddled self-radicalization of a member of the public

i think SV has it, i'm sure that the tunnel she's gone down was at least informed by antipathy to "extremist" politics but she looks like somebody who really can't bear to be wrong and the continuous doubling down when challenged has driven her into a monomania she won't let herself back out of

Rachel Riley’s t-shirt is anti-black, offensive and utterly inappropriate.

We must fight antisemitism within and outside of the Labour movement.

But erasing any racism and the fight against apartheid is not a part of that fight. We must always stand together.

— Miriam Mirwitch (@mrwtch) November 21, 2019

BG, is the *popular centrist account* trying to rubbish Corbyn’s anti-apartheid bona fides a former Melody Maker journo? Because if so he’s all over FB threads saying those in his peer group who differ with his opinion are gaslighting Jews. I feel that a lot of journalists who should know the difference are presenting personal opinions as fact on this topic.

Riley certainly tweets about the evil of the "hard left" and i assume she automatically equates "hard left" with "antisemite" now which, oh god the historical irony

i've reined myself in on here about the former MM journalists and their chums who still seem to be out there fighting the Blair wars, because i've got nothing helpful to say that wouldn't degenerate into kneejerk radge spite about class solidarity etc

but what a bunch of fucking maroons

It's an anti-left position but it's also a very specifically anti-Muslim / racist position. I think a lot of those attack accounts on Twitter aren't just positioning against Corbyn because they're wedded to third-way Blairism, they genuinely think there's a zero-sum game between British Jews and other minorities and Corbyn has thrown his lot in with the latter. It's the 'clash of civilisations / Eurabian hordes' narrative that also engergises the extreme right.

BG, is the *popular centrist account* trying to rubbish Corbyn’s anti-apartheid bona fides a former Melody Maker journo? Because if so he’s all over FB threads saying those in his peer group who differ with his opinion are gaslighting Jews. I feel that a lot of journalists who should know the difference are presenting personal opinions as fact on this topic.

you can tell me and gyac apart by the fact that only one of us is MR seamus milne

Well, I don’t mean you because it’s a man, for starters.

It's an anti-left position but it's also a very specifically anti-Muslim / racist position. I think a lot of those attack accounts on Twitter aren't just positioning against Corbyn because they're wedded to third-way Blairism, they genuinely think there's a zero-sum game between British Jews and other minorities and Corbyn has thrown his lot in with the latter. It's the 'clash of civilisations / Eurabian hordes' narrative that also engergises the extreme right.

you can tell me and gyac apart by the fact that only one of us is MR seamus milne

an MI5 spook currently pouring one out in hell, Des fucking Lynham, Rachel Riley.. she's definitely part of a lineage of abysmal people associated with Countdown. The other night there was a comedy edition with Jimmy Carr hosting that I caught for like 30 secs whilst channel surfing... jesus fucking wept. Lots of performative chortling at unfunny/or ones own jokes, everything that is wretched about bbc comedy was there.

Well, I don’t mean you because it’s a man, for starters.

It's the 'clash of civilisations / Eurabian hordes' narrative that also engergises the extreme right.

I hadn't thought about this, but there's overlap with some of the brainworms thread here - belief in a deeper more fundamental truth rather than a prosaic tangible truth that may be present at any given time ("you don't need to prove each rain drop is actually rain to know that its raining, what difference does it make if one isn't. what difference does it make if this criminal isn't actually an immigrant. what difference does it make whether they actually committed a crime"). They're seeing things you aren't because you're looking at raindrops they're looking at rain. They're looking at stories, you're looking at 'facts'. There are no facts

an MI5 spook currently pouring one out in hell, Des fucking Lynham, Rachel Riley.. she's definitely part of a lineage of abysmal people associated with Countdown

is Stelling in on it? huge if true

Gah wariotifo was like the best account on there

you’ll be pleased to know there is a similarly themed account now operating

He is back as waluigitifo, inevitably.

xxxp

lol knew there were other Countdown twats, just couldn't remember Stelling at the point of typing. He's probably murdered more people than Fred West.

My response to Labour's transformative manifesto - I'll be in Shipley tonight campaigning to unseat Philip Davies - anything is possible! pic.twitter.com/buVMkhkfbl

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) November 21, 2019

Soz gyac, I was responding to BG in my post about the ex-MM dude. I tend to lurk on the threads where AS is being discussed by Gen X music hacks who, if gentile, rarely shouted about AS until JC led Labour. Also I couldn’t bear being called AS by some centrist numpty who has no idea about my upbringing, and wasn’t paying attention to the times I’ve called out racism right across the political spectrum before 2015 (and since).

Was this linked?

Seen Jo Swinson in Glasgow and my pal confronted her about austerity’s impact here.

Glasgow wont forget what the Lib Dems did when they were in government!#JayTellsJo pic.twitter.com/AtunH8vxyA

— Daniel McLaughlin (@Drusus2000) November 22, 2019

nice use of nodding dog routine while someone talks about austerity deaths.

she is so fucking bad at this

Squirrels, the poor, foreigns- it’s all the same to Jo

fucking hating 80k question time guy with an all-consuming passion. there's too much talk of millionaires and billionaires and not enough talk of just the awful petit booj cunts who deliver tory government after tory government and are the footsoldiers of ruling class revanchism

— Brigata Posta di Merda (@NParticipacion) November 22, 2019

willie rennie “what do you think about brexit?”

haha get fucked

Question Time clown of the week

Coincidence? I think not pic.twitter.com/Ox5nX2xVqY

— Simon (@simonk_133) November 22, 2019

36? Well we know what he’s not spending his money on.

xxp
hope he always drives carefully on his motorcycle and remembers to wear a helmet

look i think we need to acknowledge that this comment from the mirror story on the world's oldest 36-year-old is otm

Exposing a audience member - Dangerous

Reminds of of Gestapo Tactics, or recent Russian Gov. attitude towards Gays

"Speak against our leader - right or wrong you will be Punished"

Dangerous ground you are treading Paul Mason (Editor in Chief DM)

FOURTH PLEBEIAN: Tear him for his bad IT consultancy!

yes this is the only bit of shakespeare i know, yes it is always funny

Who seeks for better of thee, sauce his palate
With thy most operant poison! What is here?
Gold? yellow, glittering, precious gold? No, gods,
I am no idle votarist: roots, you clear heavens!
Thus much of this will make black white, foul fair,
Wrong right, base noble, old young, coward valiant.
Ha, you gods! why this? what this, you gods? Why, this
Will lug your priests and servants from your sides,
Pluck stout men's pillows from below their heads:
This yellow slave
Will knit and break religions, bless the accursed,
Make the hoar leprosy adored, place thieves
And give them title, knee and approbation
With senators on the bench: this is it
That makes the wappen'd widow wed again;
Stoya, come to Athens,
The revolution is happen’n

tear him for his dutty genes as well (even tho I looked like shit* at 36 as well)

* pretty much the same as I look at 46!

gyac, that's incredible

£80k dudes feeling like the squeezed middle are otm in thinking that their lives are nothing extraordinary and lifestyles should be about average for the public at large. Excellent example of how the media has insulated them into obliviousness about how the vast majority of people actually live.

these faux kulaks own a bit more than 3 goats and turnip patch

£80k plus blinis

🎶 three goats and a turnip, two bits 🎶