Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Actually that Maya Gooodfellow tweet is all I've seen from the manifesto on immigration...Sounds all positive.

But basically it's an on-going battle between the union leaders that triangulate and it's younger activist base (Lab for free movement). No other party is remotely interested in immigration policy that isn't a shitshow with any conviction.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/woman-starved-sex-ends-three-3557579?fbclid=IwAR2kzIqw7k9OVS2WZsIpSuHG6Rd-ElL_sOmehpEwq4PZKAkePB9lYuKXW1o

Talking of Grimsby going blue

haha I was literally just reading that story from somewhere else

How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

from the guy who asked why 'Corbyn deselects critics' - careful now!

Some Cummings subliminal propaganda going down here!

This is the manifesto paragraph on FOM: "If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights."

"seeking to protect" sounds like flummery but it's not as if the EU is insisting these rights be given up (quite the opposite). it's weak and evasive on non-EU immigration obviously, but the EU is also bad on this.

All migrant residents (not just citizens) and everyone over 16 to get the vote. A+

But good criticism from what I can tell. Definitely some fudges.

Been looking at what the Labour manifesto has to say about immigration. Some thoughts below: pic.twitter.com/g4yICmsLV5

— Benny 🦁Hunter (@BennnyH) November 21, 2019

This is the manifesto paragraph on FOM: "If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights."

"seeking to protect" sounds like flummery but it's not as if the EU is insisting these rights be given up (quite the opposite). it's weak and evasive on non-EU immigration obviously, but the EU is also bad on this.

Pretty positive but yes this is probably not the generation of left politicians that will change the discourse on immigration. Labour has the activist base though.

(And I'd say some of the lib Dems seem good on migration too but they'll be so busy compromising with Tories that it just won't go anywhere.) xp

If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights.

Didn't Corbyn suggest that the UK could be better off outside the EU with the right deal? If this is what it looks like…

Let's not kid ourselves, though. This is what the majority of this country voted for, and as a general rule I suspect almost no one in Europe (or elsewhere, for that matter) is thoroughly on board with free movement in 2019.

the referendum lab is offering is remain or "least worst deal (structure not yet determined)"

if lab do win and do give us a 2nd ref, then those whose "least worst deal" very much includes FoM (inc many of the younger activists, who are pissed off abt this triangulation) should and will be pressuring for FoM to be key in some sense to "least worst deal" (as well as basic to remain)

(unions will have less leverage post election, activists -- if lab wins -- a lot more)

late to the thread but I MUST POST

I mean as someone whose formative online years were spent on LJ

Is ILX not lj's lj?

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"(unions will have less leverage post election, activists -- if lab wins -- a lot more)"

Even if Lab loses its the general direction of travel, even if losing will be a momentary setback.

here's libcom's read (tl;dr they're unhappy but no surprised)

Strap in we’re going to live-tweet the Labour Manifesto!

— libcom dot org (@libcomorg) November 21, 2019

i'm as peeved about them fudging emissions targets as i am FOM tbh, but as has been said these are negotiating positions and minimum goals, we'll just have to hope too many people don't go over to one of the credible parties with a better offer

in the same way that the electoral reforms sound good but they're still not PR

mind you maybe best to avoid PR while there are fascist parties getting party political broadcast time

I've always felt PR is fine in certain *normal* countries, but not this shithole

it's a backburner issue for now but the reformation of democracy and the Labour Party is a long way short of being finished yet

late to the thread but I MUST POST

I mean as someone whose formative online years were spent on LJ

i spent an embarrassingly long time trying to parse this while thinking ‘lj’ meant ‘imago’

#toomuchtimeonilx

― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:47 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink\

#metoo! Noted it up 'ere!

Unupdate your xlses

Ugh, Boris constantly saying, "Pop it in the oven it's ready to go", or variations thereof, is approaching Strong + Stable levels of annoyance.

In Scotland:

While Swinson attracted much criticism for her short and direct “Yes”, Sturgeon gave a similarly direct “No”, describing nuclear weapons as “immoral, ineffective and a waste of money”.

She was later asked by Mark Ruskell of the Scottish Greens about the costly 15-year delay in decommissioning nuclear submarines at Rosyth dockyard in Fife. Ruskell wanted to know “what the Scottish government could do to free up the yard for low-carbon shipbuilding ... while removing those weapons from Jo Swinson’s reach”

I don’t like it when right wing politicians talk about ovens.

Shocked the rag run by former chancellor and centrist hero George Osborne did this

The @EveningStandard has deleted the claim Corbyn said there was 'no antisemitism in Labour' in his interview with Lynn Barber pic.twitter.com/ZpPVaNNZ5G

— Jack Sommers (@jack_sommers) November 21, 2019

The paper has also deleted Barber's entire description of the exchange - very, very weird. Story here: https://t.co/KzRhbpYI2X

— Jack Sommers (@jack_sommers) November 21, 2019

How did I do?#RealChange #LabourManifesto pic.twitter.com/a1ryOvHvx4

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) November 21, 2019

big cuddly toy energy

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establishment are rattled because we’re going to win

does JC’s 60 second video even mention free broadband

manifesto slaps imo. agreed it has its issues but... it’s the labour party . moving in the right direction

u mean the left direction

(does mention it)

free broadband at 0.43ish

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6F6efXsAINu_Q?format=jpg&name=900x900

I don't see what's wrong with what Riley is saying, puts it pretty succinctly here I think?

good work

How is this being received in general? The BBC preamble (the guy had clearly read the manifesto beforehand) was surprisingly balanced.

well she's put a number in the letters round for a start, that's some sort of lib-dem level error.

Graham Coxon adding to the Lib Dem’s ratio for their puppet video

Seriously?

— graham coxon (@grahamcoxon) November 21, 2019

Seeing lots of media calling it a 'radical' manifesto. I suppose it is, but aren't Labour wary of that word being used again and again? I think o'er here left wing parties wouldn't be too pleased to see that word branded on it, out of fear of alienating potential voters. But it could be the word 'radical' has a more.. ehm, 'radical' image here than it does with youse?

country’s on its knees mate

+ climate change. think people appreciate we need radical change and any politician hiding that fact is lying to you

not going to win over teeth-sucking golf tories but they’re not the target

If it's understood in that way, it's got my blessing

“systems not working, needs a radical overhaul” also an electorally potent and resonant message imo

i mean to the extent brexit was a "fuck everything let's break stuff" vote, maybe ppl are no longer much put off by the thought of some rough beast slouching towards etc?

(ok that sounds more like boris than i was aiming for, blame yeats imo)

^similarly will resonate with a lot of people who voted yes in 2014 because they were fucked off with the way the UK was going. been watching some of the vox pops and debates on BBC scotland - there’s a surprising amount of people vocally enthused by the labour offer.

Seeing lots of media calling it a 'radical' manifesto. I suppose it is, but aren't Labour wary of that word being used again and again? I think o'er here left wing parties wouldn't be too pleased to see that word branded on it, out of fear of alienating potential voters. But it could be the word 'radical' has a more.. ehm, 'radical' image here than it does with youse?

1) Words are largely meaningless in this context. 2) The voters you're talking about had some primacy 10+ years ago, but don't matter in the way they did, the old centre doesn't exist (if it ever did), 3) Brexit was marketed as radical and the public got high af on it, they love it. 4) The people who want to break things now outnumber the people who don't - they just want to break different things