Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Between this, Riley and Adam Boulton coming for the corpse of Neruda on the grounds of logical inconsistency idk how we can plumb further depths of stupidity but am excited to find out.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/priti-patel-says-tory-government-not-to-blame-for-poverty-in-uk

Priti Patel says "reality irrelevant"

pointed attack at the Lib Dems here

LOL

Just saw the Lib Dem Corbyn puppet video and retract my comment about plumbing new depths being possible.

Makes you nostalgic for “time for a break” and the touring Corbyn spine, doesn’t it? Anyway I’m voting Lib Dem despite their inability to meme in the hopes that Jo Swinson will nuke us all and end it.

I will say, it's interesting how badly the Lib Dem and Tory online stunts are going down with their own activists.

Building your brand on 'guys, guys, aren't we better than this?' and then conclusively demonstrating that no, you are not, is a great strategy.

Allowing 23-year-old social media consultants to set the tone of your campaign when the only 23-year-olds willing to work with you are absolute mutants also great strategy.

you don't understand, "shitposting" is the double-barrelled name of my social media consultant

Ummm.... 'Legit Concerns' Melt here again... How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

How popular is the idea of nuclear annihilation in Swinson's constituency? Usually the Scots tend to be a bit anti.

(xpost - it's a fuckup, you can't and shouldn't triangulate on immigration, guess it's a sop to Len McCluskey etc)

It won't be a sop to the wankers in Grimsby. Fucking nuke the shit hole

How popular is the idea of nuclear annihilation in Swinson's constituency? Usually the Scots tend to be a bit anti.

Indeed. Good luck finding somewhere to park all those the nuclear weapons if Scotland becomes independent.

Ummm.... 'Legit Concerns' Melt here again... How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lab is the only party where that position can be turned around, melt.

makes the choice even starker - you can have a referendum with labour AND they’ll load the dice beforehand

This is radical stuff from Labour: extending the right to vote to 16 and 17 year olds and all those who are resident in Britain, even if they’re not UK citizens. That would be the biggest extension of the franchise since 1928. Millions would be added to the electoral roll. pic.twitter.com/uXk4O5gdli

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) November 21, 2019

Lab is the only party where that position can be turned around, melt.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:58 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

can you explain? i am very thick

Actually that Maya Gooodfellow tweet is all I've seen from the manifesto on immigration...Sounds all positive.

But basically it's an on-going battle between the union leaders that triangulate and it's younger activist base (Lab for free movement). No other party is remotely interested in immigration policy that isn't a shitshow with any conviction.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/woman-starved-sex-ends-three-3557579?fbclid=IwAR2kzIqw7k9OVS2WZsIpSuHG6Rd-ElL_sOmehpEwq4PZKAkePB9lYuKXW1o

Talking of Grimsby going blue

haha I was literally just reading that story from somewhere else

How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

from the guy who asked why 'Corbyn deselects critics' - careful now!

Some Cummings subliminal propaganda going down here!

This is the manifesto paragraph on FOM: "If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights."

"seeking to protect" sounds like flummery but it's not as if the EU is insisting these rights be given up (quite the opposite). it's weak and evasive on non-EU immigration obviously, but the EU is also bad on this.

All migrant residents (not just citizens) and everyone over 16 to get the vote. A+

But good criticism from what I can tell. Definitely some fudges.

Been looking at what the Labour manifesto has to say about immigration. Some thoughts below: pic.twitter.com/g4yICmsLV5

— Benny 🦁Hunter (@BennnyH) November 21, 2019

This is the manifesto paragraph on FOM: "If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights."

"seeking to protect" sounds like flummery but it's not as if the EU is insisting these rights be given up (quite the opposite). it's weak and evasive on non-EU immigration obviously, but the EU is also bad on this.

Pretty positive but yes this is probably not the generation of left politicians that will change the discourse on immigration. Labour has the activist base though.

(And I'd say some of the lib Dems seem good on migration too but they'll be so busy compromising with Tories that it just won't go anywhere.) xp

If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights.

Didn't Corbyn suggest that the UK could be better off outside the EU with the right deal? If this is what it looks like…

Let's not kid ourselves, though. This is what the majority of this country voted for, and as a general rule I suspect almost no one in Europe (or elsewhere, for that matter) is thoroughly on board with free movement in 2019.

the referendum lab is offering is remain or "least worst deal (structure not yet determined)"

if lab do win and do give us a 2nd ref, then those whose "least worst deal" very much includes FoM (inc many of the younger activists, who are pissed off abt this triangulation) should and will be pressuring for FoM to be key in some sense to "least worst deal" (as well as basic to remain)

(unions will have less leverage post election, activists -- if lab wins -- a lot more)

late to the thread but I MUST POST

I mean as someone whose formative online years were spent on LJ

Is ILX not lj's lj?

http://replygif.net/i/537.gif

"(unions will have less leverage post election, activists -- if lab wins -- a lot more)"

Even if Lab loses its the general direction of travel, even if losing will be a momentary setback.

here's libcom's read (tl;dr they're unhappy but no surprised)

Strap in we’re going to live-tweet the Labour Manifesto!

— libcom dot org (@libcomorg) November 21, 2019

i'm as peeved about them fudging emissions targets as i am FOM tbh, but as has been said these are negotiating positions and minimum goals, we'll just have to hope too many people don't go over to one of the credible parties with a better offer

in the same way that the electoral reforms sound good but they're still not PR

mind you maybe best to avoid PR while there are fascist parties getting party political broadcast time

I've always felt PR is fine in certain *normal* countries, but not this shithole

it's a backburner issue for now but the reformation of democracy and the Labour Party is a long way short of being finished yet

late to the thread but I MUST POST

I mean as someone whose formative online years were spent on LJ

i spent an embarrassingly long time trying to parse this while thinking ‘lj’ meant ‘imago’

#toomuchtimeonilx

― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:47 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink\

#metoo! Noted it up 'ere!

Unupdate your xlses

Ugh, Boris constantly saying, "Pop it in the oven it's ready to go", or variations thereof, is approaching Strong + Stable levels of annoyance.

In Scotland:

While Swinson attracted much criticism for her short and direct “Yes”, Sturgeon gave a similarly direct “No”, describing nuclear weapons as “immoral, ineffective and a waste of money”.

She was later asked by Mark Ruskell of the Scottish Greens about the costly 15-year delay in decommissioning nuclear submarines at Rosyth dockyard in Fife. Ruskell wanted to know “what the Scottish government could do to free up the yard for low-carbon shipbuilding ... while removing those weapons from Jo Swinson’s reach”

I don’t like it when right wing politicians talk about ovens.

Shocked the rag run by former chancellor and centrist hero George Osborne did this

The @EveningStandard has deleted the claim Corbyn said there was 'no antisemitism in Labour' in his interview with Lynn Barber pic.twitter.com/ZpPVaNNZ5G

— Jack Sommers (@jack_sommers) November 21, 2019

The paper has also deleted Barber's entire description of the exchange - very, very weird. Story here: https://t.co/KzRhbpYI2X

— Jack Sommers (@jack_sommers) November 21, 2019

How did I do?#RealChange #LabourManifesto pic.twitter.com/a1ryOvHvx4

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) November 21, 2019

big cuddly toy energy

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establishment are rattled because we’re going to win

does JC’s 60 second video even mention free broadband

manifesto slaps imo. agreed it has its issues but... it’s the labour party . moving in the right direction