Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

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I really need to see more constituency polling..

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:43 (six years ago)

Look North was live from Grimsby last night but i don't really remember what the general vibe was. it's hardcore Brexitland anyway, white and isolated af

The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:43 (six years ago)

Page 98 of the Labour Manifesto: 'We will immediately suspend the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia for use in Yemen and to Israel for arms used in violation of the human rights of Palestinian civilians, and conduct a root-and-branch reform of our arms exports regime' 👍

— Chris Rossdale (@crossdale) November 21, 2019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:47 (six years ago)

Not surprising that a 2nd ref with option to remain is a stitch up to Brexit heartlands

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:50 (six years ago)

On immigration Labour's manifesto promises to:
-scrap the 2014 Immigration Act,
-compensate victims of the Windrush scandal
-end indefinite detention and review alternatives to detention centres

— Maya Goodfellow (@MayaGoodfellow) November 21, 2019

gyac, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:04 (six years ago)

Labour's manifesto promises to "give full voting rights to all
UK residents" 🙌🙌

— Maya Goodfellow (@MayaGoodfellow) November 21, 2019

gyac, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:05 (six years ago)

We're so far down the rabbit hole now, but it blows my mind that THIS GOVERNMENT seized the assets of countless BAME British citizens who had been here almost all their lives, froze their legal documents then deported them to foreign countries to die & barely anyone mentions it. https://t.co/rzSt2sqXCc

— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) November 21, 2019

I’d forgotten about the asset seizing, just incredibly fucking evil

gyac, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:08 (six years ago)

Some seats worth looking at polling for may be Batley & Spen, Cardiff West, Swansea West, Durham, Huddersfield and Torfaen. Improbable gains for the Tories but not impossible so if they're making significant inroads in those places that's bad.

nashwan, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:09 (six years ago)

Okay now what the hell

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/tory-party-tweets-link-to-fake-labour-manifesto-site

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:43 (six years ago)

Dom D-Dom Dom Dom

The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:46 (six years ago)

"It clearly states in the tiny print at the bottom of the page if you scroll down past the big picture of Corbyn and the LABOUR MANIFESTO banner that this site is promoted on behalf of the Conservative Party and in no way is it intended to deceive"

The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:50 (six years ago)

xxxp
you can safely write off Hudds for the tories. They've actually dug up a candidate even more unpopular than Sheerman. An evil old multi-millionaire who has been fined multiple times for dodgy practice at his dodgy as fuck financing company and once almost destroyed the football club after stealing their stadium shares for a quid while they were in administration. Even loads of tories despise him and at one point he couldn't safely walk through the town centre, that many people wanted to murder him.

calzino, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:50 (six years ago)

https://gds.blog.gov.uk/2014/03/02/report-a-misleading-website-to-search-engines/

the irony.

koogs, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:50 (six years ago)

I think Batley & Spen might be safe as well. But I'm basing this on it being way too poor as fuck and with too large an Asian population to go blue. But I might be totally wrong.

calzino, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:56 (six years ago)

Don't get me wrong I think all those seats I listed are safe really, it's just that if the polling does shows the Blue Waste are able to even improve in polling even a few percent where there are 2 Labour votes for every Tory one that's a bad sign for the real marginals. To me it seems like the Tories are maxed out in these places which are also impervious to an LD bounce.

nashwan, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:00 (six years ago)

Ahahahaha. This is an absolute first class Liz Truss moment. pic.twitter.com/Aemeber7h5

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) November 21, 2019

||||||||, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:03 (six years ago)

lmao!

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

Corbyn's audience is chanting, about the NHS, "not for sale" to the tune of "lock her up" and "build that wall".

— David Hirsh (@DavidHirsh) November 21, 2019

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

is that a tune?

The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

Between this, Riley and Adam Boulton coming for the corpse of Neruda on the grounds of logical inconsistency idk how we can plumb further depths of stupidity but am excited to find out.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

Adam Boulton coming for the corpse of Neruda

Huh?

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:18 (six years ago)

Seriously you don't need that tweet

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

He knew that when you’re serious about real change, those who profit from a rigged system, who squirrel away the wealth created by millions of people, won’t give up without a fight.

pointed attack at the Lib Dems here

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

Between this, Riley and Adam Boulton coming for the corpse of Neruda on the grounds of logical inconsistency idk how we can plumb further depths of stupidity but am excited to find out.


When the electorate votes for a massive Conservative majority on the 12th?

gyac, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:21 (six years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/priti-patel-says-tory-government-not-to-blame-for-poverty-in-uk

Priti Patel says "reality irrelevant"

plax (ico), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:21 (six years ago)

pointed attack at the Lib Dems here

LOL

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:25 (six years ago)

Just saw the Lib Dem Corbyn puppet video and retract my comment about plumbing new depths being possible.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:27 (six years ago)

Makes you nostalgic for “time for a break” and the touring Corbyn spine, doesn’t it? Anyway I’m voting Lib Dem despite their inability to meme in the hopes that Jo Swinson will nuke us all and end it.

gyac, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:29 (six years ago)

I will say, it's interesting how badly the Lib Dem and Tory online stunts are going down with their own activists.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:30 (six years ago)

Building your brand on 'guys, guys, aren't we better than this?' and then conclusively demonstrating that no, you are not, is a great strategy.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:32 (six years ago)

Allowing 23-year-old social media consultants to set the tone of your campaign when the only 23-year-olds willing to work with you are absolute mutants also great strategy.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:39 (six years ago)

you don't understand, "shitposting" is the double-barrelled name of my social media consultant

The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:41 (six years ago)

Ummm.... 'Legit Concerns' Melt here again... How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:50 (six years ago)

How popular is the idea of nuclear annihilation in Swinson's constituency? Usually the Scots tend to be a bit anti.

Matt DC, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:50 (six years ago)

(xpost - it's a fuckup, you can't and shouldn't triangulate on immigration, guess it's a sop to Len McCluskey etc)

Matt DC, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:51 (six years ago)

It won't be a sop to the wankers in Grimsby. Fucking nuke the shit hole

calzino, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

How popular is the idea of nuclear annihilation in Swinson's constituency? Usually the Scots tend to be a bit anti.

Indeed. Good luck finding somewhere to park all those the nuclear weapons if Scotland becomes independent.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:55 (six years ago)

Ummm.... 'Legit Concerns' Melt here again... How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lab is the only party where that position can be turned around, melt.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:58 (six years ago)

makes the choice even starker - you can have a referendum with labour AND they’ll load the dice beforehand

This is radical stuff from Labour: extending the right to vote to 16 and 17 year olds and all those who are resident in Britain, even if they’re not UK citizens. That would be the biggest extension of the franchise since 1928. Millions would be added to the electoral roll. pic.twitter.com/uXk4O5gdli

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) November 21, 2019

||||||||, Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:59 (six years ago)

Lab is the only party where that position can be turned around, melt.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:58 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

can you explain? i am very thick

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

Actually that Maya Gooodfellow tweet is all I've seen from the manifesto on immigration...Sounds all positive.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:12 (six years ago)

But basically it's an on-going battle between the union leaders that triangulate and it's younger activist base (Lab for free movement). No other party is remotely interested in immigration policy that isn't a shitshow with any conviction.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:15 (six years ago)

haha I was literally just reading that story from somewhere else

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:22 (six years ago)

How do we feel about Labour dropping plans to keep free movement after Brexit?

from the guy who asked why 'Corbyn deselects critics' - careful now!

nashwan, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:23 (six years ago)

Some Cummings subliminal propaganda going down here!

calzino, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:23 (six years ago)

This is the manifesto paragraph on FOM: "If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights."

"seeking to protect" sounds like flummery but it's not as if the EU is insisting these rights be given up (quite the opposite). it's weak and evasive on non-EU immigration obviously, but the EU is also bad on this.

mark s, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:26 (six years ago)

All migrant residents (not just citizens) and everyone over 16 to get the vote. A+

But good criticism from what I can tell. Definitely some fudges.

Been looking at what the Labour manifesto has to say about immigration. Some thoughts below: pic.twitter.com/g4yICmsLV5

— Benny 🦁Hunter (@BennnyH) November 21, 2019

nashwan, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:29 (six years ago)

This is the manifesto paragraph on FOM: "If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue. If we leave, it will be subject to negotiations, but we recognise the social and economic benefits that free movement has brought both in terms of EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad – and we will seek to protect those rights."

"seeking to protect" sounds like flummery but it's not as if the EU is insisting these rights be given up (quite the opposite). it's weak and evasive on non-EU immigration obviously, but the EU is also bad on this.


it implicitly acknowledges the reality which is that immigration is reciprocal with the EU as a bloc, and that every country within it will have its own policy.

gyac, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:32 (six years ago)

Pretty positive but yes this is probably not the generation of left politicians that will change the discourse on immigration. Labour has the activist base though.

(And I'd say some of the lib Dems seem good on migration too but they'll be so busy compromising with Tories that it just won't go anywhere.) xp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:36 (six years ago)


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