Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Thats the binary choice. one of two people will be PM next month. the rest is posturing and balloons

Another Tory candidate suspended over anti-Semitism claims btw.

_A Tory candidate who claimed British Jews who visited Israel returned “brainwashed” has been suspended from the party, the Press Association reports. The PA story goes on:

"Amjad Bashir, who is standing for election in the Leeds North East constituency, apologised this week for the comments and said he intends to meet local Jewish groups and travel to Israel “to gain direct experience from the situation on the ground there”.

A Conservative spokesman said: “Mr Bashir has been suspended from the party pending investigation and election support has been withdrawn.”

A pro-Brexit restaurateur, Bashir was elected as a Ukip MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber in 2014 before he defected to the Conservatives in 2015."_

anvil stop encouraging me to go to the pub

xxxp
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/3b/6c/ce3b6c30c33b2993aa203798a9b3c0a7.jpg

i had some Angry Birds pop once

My point is that it's not uncommon and it has to be acknowledged as a thing that is happening. I find the sour-grapes 'didn't want you anyway' attitude I'm hearing from Labour supporters quite frustrating as I feel it's actively putting people off from coming back to the party.

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol, what a set of excuses! Anything not to vote Labour!

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I, like... don't expect anyone to vote labour because they like me personally and want to please me, y'know?

xp were you charged for it?

I love the idea of supping cans outside the polling station. the most aggressive and pissed up exit poll ever: "who've you voted for? ya fucking insipid melt bastahrd!"

xp

i was, it was pleasant, i think passionfruit was involved

The complete inertia of British political culture really unnerves me. Revealing a massive network of child sex abuse by very powerful public figures didn't change anything. A fascist assassinating an MP didn't change anything.

— Mediocredave (@MediocreDave) November 20, 2019

What massive network of child sex abuse by very powerful public figures?

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/372542050914_/12-Mr-Blobby-Santa-Shaped-Mini-Foil-Balloon.jpg

Did someone say balloons? Yep, someone def said balloons.

Cyril Smith was massive

Who ate all the squirrels? Could well have been big C

What massive network of child sex abuse by very powerful public figures?

― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Assuming we are talking about Epstein and Andrew.

never heard of it nothing to see here

with some of their previous leaders being a 200 stone paedophile and someone who hired a contract killer to murder a dog, i guess Jo's squirrel cull and love of nuclear annihilation is part of a LibDem tradition of having leaders who are not reet in the fucking head. I'm not bringing Charlie's alcoholism into this, because at least he was not a tory and a principled politician who actually stood for some kind of opposition.

how dare you calz Jo Swindon opposes everything except dismantling the welfare state

Second off, some people might think Labour aren't strong enough on issues like Europe or antisemitism. Or they're questioning how he proposes to pull off his campaign promises. Or they might just think he'd make a rubbish PM.

Reasons that have nothing to do with his image (assuming there's more behind the third one than image). I was being specific so my point stands.

If Jo had a position on people living in 1920's style Hoovervilles but with tents that is as strong and focused as her position on Europe, perhaps that might make her something approaching a .. Liberal democrat

cyril smith was chief whip for a while and a senior figure but never actually the liberal leader (david steel basically succeeded thorpe, with jo grimond returning very briefly as interim acting leader)

i don't even know what Swindon's position on Europe is apart from "it's all Corbyn's fault"

xp
blame Alexi Sayle!

bollox to brexit and bollox to old liberal ideas like social assistance that are the old way of doing things

tbh i'm still reeling from the semiotics of the blobby lemonade tin

(= "i have to piss, it's what you're drinking")

he never disappoints

I'm not bringing Charlie's alcoholism into this, because at least he was not a tory and a principled politician who actually stood for some kind of opposition.

coincidentally only liberal democrat leader ever to be toppled by mutiny within the party

Air Passenger Duty raised £3.6 bn last year. Lib Dems want to squeeze an extra £4.8 bn out of passengers. Anyone taking 3 or more international return flights a year will pay progressively more for each additional flight. Details vague but tax appears aimed at business travellers pic.twitter.com/PnP4aSe86C

— Joel Hills (@ITVJoel) November 20, 2019

Intrigued by how this is meant to work in practice.

they tattoo a little airplane icon on your face every time you fly

taxing frequent flying is ... probably a good thing and almost certainly progressive? the key is how to administer it

if only she was as clear on her other policies as she is on bollox to brexit and the nuclear annihilation of millions of people

xxxp sucks to be you

I'm presuming this would be quite an expensive and complicated policy to get started, but might be good in the long run?

If the funds raised were ring-fenced and used to develop a low emission plane then maybe.

lol good to see Boris leaking the NI threshold being raised - could cost up to £17 billion?

nuclear planes yall

can they be used against squirrels?

I would ask people focused on leadership (or Corbyn’s apparent lack thereof) as a concept to set out what attributes their ideal leader has. Is it a sense of being ‘commanding’? Do you just want to be told what to do all the time? Do you want to feel like part of a team, or like you are being listened to? Or do you just want to see the manager and know that your say-so will get that little shit in trouble?

― santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:22 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

no shit there are more than two parties, but under fptp only two have a chance of running the government and in a lot of constituencies voting for the one means the other is more likely to get in?

― gyac, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Like I could vote Green, but doing so only makes it more likely my seat stays Tory...?

― gyac, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:24 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol, what a set of excuses! Anything not to vote Labour!

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm having difficulty parsing suzy's post though... What's this all about? There are plenty of people who would say Corbyn is a terrible listener: one-track minded, inflexible to other's views, and in some ways tyrannical.

Maybe I'm speaking from the privileged perspective of being in a safe Labour seat, so I could happily vote Green in good conscience. I know that's not the case for a lot of people, in which case I'd say vote tactically to get the Tories out, whoever that may be.

I'm still undecided as to whether I'll vote Labour or Green yet. Could very well be Labour, but it's beside the point.

I'm irked by the nasty, chiding attitude I'm seeing from certain quarters whereby Labour supporters will turn on anyone who dares criticise Corbyn with a kneejerk: 'You must hate the NHS and poor people, fuck off back to your mansion crypto-Tory scum!'. I don't think this is helpful and I wouldn't be surprised if it drove floating voters away.

'Any excuse to vote Tory'? This is a derisive hand-waving away of some of the very real concerns everyday people have about voting Labour in 2019. It shouldn't be 'hold your nose or fuck off'. Sure the rightwing will jump on things like the antisemitism issue and blow it out of proportion, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or shouldn't be addressed. Similarly, if one is a Remainer, how confident should they feel if Corbyn (in my eyes a eurosceptic) comes to power and a second referendum points to Remain?

If someone is left-liberal but held-back about issues such as Europe or antisemitism or public spending strategies or Corbyn's overall leadership and media-handling skills, wouldn't it be better to address these maturely and in a more nuanced way than 'Stop believing the MSM' or worse 'If you don't like it, you're a traitor to the cause, spreading rightwing lies'.

dog latin, do you consider the core values of labour to be "left liberal"? because the answer to yr question very much depends on that.

I get annoyed at people who will vote lib dem instead of labour over brexit, because the lib dems are patently uninterested in stopping brexit. It's purely a culture war to ride for them.

TYRANNICAL !!!!

the problem is the people who come out with "i can't vote Labour because Corbyn", because it doesn't wash, and people who sincerely want to see a transformative government shouldn't really be voting anywhere else (in England and maybe Wales, anyway) unless out of tactical necessity. none of the high profile melts who've declared their regretful inability to vote Labour have sought to engage with their alleged issues or indeed said anything to indicate that they give a shit about left wing politics.

and Leadership is *cobblers*, he's the elected representative of the aspirations of the majority of party members, many many of who will not agree with him on every issue or think he's always right but understand that he has saved the party from a laissez-faire right wing that was well on the way to stripping it of everything that made it a worthwhile electoral choice. when people get mean and pissy with naysayers, well it might be unhelpful - might - but it comes from a place where the future government of the UK is one of the only slim possible hopes that some of us have got, not a parlour game of civility and respectfully understanding the enemies of humanity and the useful idiots that enable them.

TYRANNICAL !!!!

― ||||||||, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:06 PM (one second ago) bookmarkflaglink

Look, I'm playing devil's advocate here, but you could point to how quick he's been to deselect people in the past over things like their views on Brexit whilst being seen to be quite slow/lenient on those spouting anitsemitic views. Many see him as a man who dislikes being challenged and happiest when surrounded by yes men.

dog latin, do you consider the core values of labour to be "left liberal"? because the answer to yr question very much depends on that.

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:59 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't remember having a specific question? But if Labour aren't left-liberal, or progressive, or social-democrat, or whatever permutation of the broad political spectrum you care to lump leftwingers under, what are they?

in some ways tyrannical.

Which MPs did Corbyn deselect? Let alone over Brexit?!

remember when he personally deselected Kate Hoey for being mental?

the very real concerns everyday people have about voting Labour in 2019.

such as Europe or antisemitism or public spending strategies or Corbyn's overall leadership and media-handling skills, wouldn't it be better to address these

Taking these one by one,

Europe: a) The more Lib Dems that win seats the greater the margin for Boris. b) Given the Lib Dems track record on reneging on signature policies, are you really any happier with their trustworthyness (especially given it was Swinson who was pushing for a referendum 10 years ago), and Corbyns own voting record (check theyworkforyou.com) doesn't really match up with that of a eurosceptic

antisemitism: whats your preferred course of action here, and how is a Conservative government going to help?

public spending strategies: Pretty core here, if you like these you're probably a natural Labour supporter. You don't have to be! If you prefer the public spending of other parties, its ok!

Corbyn's overall leadership and media-handling skills: I don't think these are particulary that great either, but Jamie Vardy is unavailable, and
wait till you see the other two, where outright fabrication is de rigeur

Put these down on a piece of paper, put CON and LAB at the top of each, and put an X against which your prefer.

If you lucky enough to live in a non-marginal, save yourself the hand-wringing and go do something else instead, your vote doesn't matter, its not worth the agro

somebody's just snuck the local MP's election letter thru my door and the second on the list of pledges is SUPPORT FRONTLINE POLICING: Reverse police cuts. Tough action against anti-social behaviour. it's almost as if racist cunt Jack Straw hadn't died.

"Maybe I'm speaking from the privileged perspective of being in a safe Labour seat, so I could happily vote Green in good conscience. I know that's not the case for a lot of people, in which case I'd say vote tactically to get the Tories out, whoever that may be."

I see, I see..

Just pick what you like, this level of sensitivity where people are going to change their mind because someone was mean what the hell this is why we need to abolish stationery and settle this with fists

I mean, I do think a lot of anti-Corbyn sentiment is hysterical and out of proportion. I can't personally understand how someone could prefer Johnson over Corbyn.

But hand-waving away criticism or saying 'YOU DON'T LIKE CORBYN THAT MEANS YOUR A TORY' shows a shocking lack of interest in the issues around him and the people who are concerned about those issues.
That's not 'sticking up for the 99%'. That's not 'being considerate of the public's views'. I see it as a form of illiberal elitism in itself - a sort of dick-measuring contest to show how leftwing one can be. I guess this is why leftwing in-fighting happens in the first place. You don't often get arguments about 'who can be the most rightwing' as far as I understand.