Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

was it rentoul? the undead are very tribal

lol xp was it John Rentoul

funniest bit of bullshit I ever heard (from a Labour councillor trying to get a favour out of me or appeal to my preformative leftism or whatever ) was "I have only ever met 3 people in politics I've truly trusted and liked. One is Gordon Brown, one is Ken Livingstone and the other is Jeremy Corbyn.. " badum tish

lol, performative leftism even

Not attacking Boris personally was good praxis. Peoples personal opinion of Boris isn't going to change any. Sticking to your own game and not getting sucked into that will do him good with older voters, particularly those expecting gulags to come firing out of his eyes.

I don't like civility generally and prefer sorting things out with fists but there's a time and a place, especially when the neutrals are in town

"I don't like civility generally and prefer sorting things out with fists"

lol!

can't spell neutral without ultra

me polling card's just come, it's like an early christmas present

(xps) regarding the 1st post in that twitter thread (good thread, thank you):

Been running the board the last couple of sessions; our vote holding up and also worth noting that the “I’M A LIFELONG LABOUR VOTER BUT WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CORBYN” types are never, ever down on the sheet as anything like lifelong Labour voters. Typical data is ?-?-D-A-A. https://t.co/nHIGhnDyqa

— Socialist Dad (@shirleymush) November 20, 2019

can someone explain what the "?-?-D-A-A" stand for? (did not vote? against??)

Are those taken from what the voter says to the canvasser, or from official collation of ballot papers, or from the people collecting numbers outside polling stations?

(just wondering. I've only been canvassed once and am never sure how polite or otherwise to be to the people in rosettes at polling stations - whether I'm supposed to talk to the one from the party I'm voting for, or whoever addresses me first, or whether I'm better off striding past them without letting any of them intercept me)

if they're wearing a blue or yellow rosette i just tell them politely to get tae fuck

Lib Dems get really pissy when you won't give them your number, it's brilliant

fists

shouting some sweary abuse at tory leafleters is some hearty christmas fare

Reported last night: Johnson and Corbyn level-pegging on who did best in #ITVdebate. Not reported: when @yougov asked the same viewers seperately about the performances of the two men, Corbyn (Well 67%, badly 32%) defeated Johnson (59-41%) https://t.co/nR1dikO1Ch

— Peter Kellner (@PeterKellner1) November 20, 2019

Why do people have this idea that people of colour are just automatically believed and listened to regarding racism? As if “race card” and “chip on your shoulder” aren’t highly popular rhetorics. Stop gaslighting us in the name of fighting anti-Semitism.

— Friendly Black Ugly (@dezzaxx_) November 20, 2019

It’s shocking how people in the media brazenly act as though there’s a hierarchy of racism and that the concerns of black people or Muslims are seen as trivial. https://t.co/IQNPO4A6nc

— Mindset Mentality (@J_MoAGoGo) November 19, 2019

Another day another non black person claiming that only anti-black racism is taken seriously...

All while our current prime minister called us piccaninnies with watermelon smiles. And the one before that was responsible for the Windrush scandal. pic.twitter.com/7ALE1SgooC

— plz do better, trans men (@itsjacksonbbz) November 18, 2019

And also? A lot of the people noisily concerned are themselves massive racists, and I would be really surprised if you saw them open their mouths about the treatment afforded to the last Labour leader. Or Bercow. Or Letwin.

Kind of depressing to walk into the lift at work today and overhear this conversation, "I'm Labour but I'm not voting for Corbyn", "What's the alternative?" "Boris! I don't like him but it has to be Boris".

So many people have Very Real Objections to doing what anyone on the left has had to do for years and holding their nose and voting.

that's a conversation happening up and down the country. it's beserk, but it can't be overlooked that Corbyn has an image problem for one reason or another, and that's going to affect everything

People who vote according to a Labour leader's 'image' are all just looking for any excuse to vote Tory without feeling so judged.

When it is someone who once did the blackface with a pineapple on his head making the most ridiculous AS accusation I have ever seen - it doesn't really help anybody.

fs I am dead

fair play i'm not jo swinson's biggest fan but thought she gave a great account of herself here. can see this sort of stuff really connecting with people https://t.co/BZM5BQ2zSB pic.twitter.com/3Xw1VkBa0U

— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) November 20, 2019

People who vote according to a Labour leader's 'image' are all just looking for any excuse to vote Tory without feeling so judged.

'Not a good leader' was the woman in the lift's excuse - but then neither was Miliband apparently, so, despite being 'Labour' when did she last vote Labour I wonder?

lol 40% of Lib Dem voters said Boris performed better in the Brexit section last night, absolute clown party. Though I can see why they might grAvitate to useless sloganeering...

People who vote according to a Labour leader's 'image' are all just looking for any excuse to vote Tory without feeling so judged.

― nashwan, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:50 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

First off, there are more than two parties.

Second off, some people might think Labour aren't strong enough on issues like Europe or antisemitism. Or they're questioning how he proposes to pull off his campaign promises. Or they might just think he'd make a rubbish PM.

I hate this 'If you don't <3 Corbyn your a Tory' partisanship, like it's some sort of binary choice, or a barometre of how left-wing someone is.

GET HIM

I hate this 'If you don't <3 Corbyn your a Tory' partisanship, like it's some sort of binary choice, or a barometre of how left-wing someone is.

Not really when the anecdote I told was about a woman who was asked what the alternative to Corbyn was and she said, "Boris, it has to be Boris".

xp hahaha

Not really when the anecdote I told was about a woman who was asked what the alternative to Corbyn was and she said, "Boris, it has to be Boris".

― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:11 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tom D. - Agreed. That sounds to me like it's more of a matter of being under informed but I don't know that person's background. Either they're not really very politically inclined and just voted Labour because that's what their parents did and then got swayed by peers or the media, or maybe they've always been third-way capitalists who <3 Blair and want to bomb Iraq all over again... My point is that it's not uncommon and it has to be acknowledged as a thing that is happening. I find the sour-grapes 'didn't want you anyway' attitude I'm hearing from Labour supporters quite frustrating as I feel it's actively putting people off from coming back to the party.

I would ask people focused on leadership (or Corbyn’s apparent lack thereof) as a concept to set out what attributes their ideal leader has. Is it a sense of being ‘commanding’? Do you just want to be told what to do all the time? Do you want to feel like part of a team, or like you are being listened to? Or do you just want to see the manager and know that your say-so will get that little shit in trouble?

no shit there are more than two parties, but under fptp only two have a chance of running the government and in a lot of constituencies voting for the one means the other is more likely to get in?

Like I could vote Green, but doing so only makes it more likely my seat stays Tory...?

Either they're not really very politically inclined and just voted Labour because that's what their parents did and then got swayed by peers or the media, or maybe they've always been third-way capitalists who <3 Blair and want to bomb Iraq all over again...

Almost certainly the former.

it's fine to think Jerzy Cromulent might not be the best potential PM, but that always has to be judged in comparison to the alternative, does it not? The Tories haven't exactly set a high bar here have they.

even if you don't like Corbyn does that mean you have to be crypto-tory melt? Is that also a binary choice?:p Generally I think somebody voting for the party with the most left-wing policies is a pretty good barometer of where their politics are at, unless they are voting with a nose peg on and really just luurve austerity.

Another Tory candidate suspended over anti-Semitism claims btw.

A Tory candidate who claimed British Jews who visited Israel returned “brainwashed” has been suspended from the party, the Press Association reports. The PA story goes on:

"Amjad Bashir, who is standing for election in the Leeds North East constituency, apologised this week for the comments and said he intends to meet local Jewish groups and travel to Israel “to gain direct experience from the situation on the ground there”.

A Conservative spokesman said: “Mr Bashir has been suspended from the party pending investigation and election support has been withdrawn.”

A pro-Brexit restaurateur, Bashir was elected as a Ukip MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber in 2014 before he defected to the Conservatives in 2015."

My point is that it's not uncommon and it has to be acknowledged as a thing that is happening. I find the sour-grapes 'didn't want you anyway' attitude I'm hearing from Labour supporters quite frustrating as I feel it's actively putting people off from coming back to the party.

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol, what a set of excuses! Anything not to vote Labour!

I hate this 'If you don't <3 Corbyn your a Tory' partisanship, like it's some sort of binary choice, or a barometre of how left-wing someone is.

If you live in a seat where it matters your choice is between contributing to the continuance of this government, or contributing to its removal. Liking is irrelevant

if you live in a seat where it doesn't matter go to the pub instead, its ok

It's s binary choice except in about 25 seats in England

i didn't realise any of the parties had an antisemitism policy tbh, or a Remain policy that's more important than trying to stop poor people from dying

what if the pub's not open yet, can i just drink some cans in the playground outside the polling station same as always

Thats the binary choice. one of two people will be PM next month. the rest is posturing and balloons

Another Tory candidate suspended over anti-Semitism claims btw.

_A Tory candidate who claimed British Jews who visited Israel returned “brainwashed” has been suspended from the party, the Press Association reports. The PA story goes on:

"Amjad Bashir, who is standing for election in the Leeds North East constituency, apologised this week for the comments and said he intends to meet local Jewish groups and travel to Israel “to gain direct experience from the situation on the ground there”.

A Conservative spokesman said: “Mr Bashir has been suspended from the party pending investigation and election support has been withdrawn.”

A pro-Brexit restaurateur, Bashir was elected as a Ukip MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber in 2014 before he defected to the Conservatives in 2015."_

anvil stop encouraging me to go to the pub

xxxp
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/3b/6c/ce3b6c30c33b2993aa203798a9b3c0a7.jpg

i had some Angry Birds pop once

My point is that it's not uncommon and it has to be acknowledged as a thing that is happening. I find the sour-grapes 'didn't want you anyway' attitude I'm hearing from Labour supporters quite frustrating as I feel it's actively putting people off from coming back to the party.

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol, what a set of excuses! Anything not to vote Labour!

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I, like... don't expect anyone to vote labour because they like me personally and want to please me, y'know?

xp were you charged for it?

I love the idea of supping cans outside the polling station. the most aggressive and pissed up exit poll ever: "who've you voted for? ya fucking insipid melt bastahrd!"

xp

i was, it was pleasant, i think passionfruit was involved

The complete inertia of British political culture really unnerves me. Revealing a massive network of child sex abuse by very powerful public figures didn't change anything. A fascist assassinating an MP didn't change anything.

— Mediocredave (@MediocreDave) November 20, 2019