Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

And the summing up was JC saying what they would do and BJ saying what a terrible job JC would do...

Raab on radio just then not saying that they wouldn't pull another Fact Check UK scam the next time.

So Corbyn is equating Jewish people with paedophilia by pronouncing Epstein's name in a certain way? I didn't think the old fool had the intellectual nous for this degree of subliminal racism. But there we are. https://t.co/2Ti2hpS5XD

— Dr Robert 'Rob' Zands PhD #BeKindOnline (@DrRobertZands) November 20, 2019

is Corbyn so nice and civilised though? He seems to have been working on his subliminal AS game.

Things he could have said, while keeping it ‘ball’ not ‘man’:

*’When I met The Queen, she was kind to me and I thought she was someone who really appreciates honesty.’

*‘We’ve all seen what happens when a PM takes sides on Brexit - two have resigned so far, and the third pulled a deal Parliament passed rather than subject it to further Parliamentary scrutiny or the amendments our constituents demanded. So clearly, we have to try a different approach. I’ll remain impartial, negotiate with the whole union in mind, and leave the choice to the voters.’

*’It’s my hope that after a few years of a Labour government, and the attention and investment I want to bring to Scotland, the Scottish appetite for Indyref 2 won’t be what it is right now.’

Et cetera...

So Corbyn is equating Jewish people with paedophilia by pronouncing Epstein's name in a certain way?

We're though the looking glass into la la land now.

Zands is a parody account a la Simon Hedges

David Baddiel is not a parody account though. Or is he?

beyond parody now

‘When I met The Queen, she was kind to me and I thought she was someone who really appreciates honesty.’

‘I had a very nice chat with the Queen’: @JeremyCorbyn sidesteps Paxman’s grilling on monarchy #BattleForNumber10 https://t.co/nM4aH1aePU pic.twitter.com/Wgut2VFdGa

— i newspaper (@theipaper) May 29, 2017

He also says 'isyoo' so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Parody aside, his #AllLivesMatter routine, while technically correct, didn't strike me as a very good answer to the antisemitism question – there, too, he came across as deflective, using the topic as a springboard to score points on a broader terrain. Maybe I'm misunderstanding Britain's history, but in much of Western Europe, it is generally understood that antisemitism is a particularly grave instance of racism for obvious reasons and there is indeed a specific antisemitic archetype who is quick to point out that 'all racism is wrong', much like a certain strand of islamophobe who will argue that 'all discrimination is reprehensible, so why are we dwelling on this type at the expense of others?', etc. Once again, I don't think Corbyn himself is a bona fide antisemite, but as with the second ref, he had the opportunity to deliver a more persuasive response and unfortunately fell short.

Fwiw one of the few friends I've made since moving here is Jewish and she will be voting Green. I don't think Labour has done a very good job of trying to win over voters like her, who would otherwise very much like to see Corbyn's domestic policies implemented.

I’m a republican like you but a) anyone including Corbyn who takes an oath to HRH is automatically less so and b) finding a sideways method of saying BJ lies to the Queen as part of his daily diet of lies is OK by me.

I thought Corbyn was really good on AS. Just short and clear about what the party has done. Whether anyone agrees or not is another question, and as to whether anyone could be persuaded at this point when the likes of Williamson are not standing is another. Casting it as an 'All lives Matter' routine is just clumsy. If you want him to do better then... don't talk like that?

Yes, whether anyone agrees or not is a different matter, but to certain members of the Jewish community that's exactly what it sounded like.

*‘We’ve all seen what happens when a PM takes sides on Brexit - two have resigned so far, and the third pulled a deal Parliament passed rather than subject it to further Parliamentary scrutiny or the amendments our constituents demanded. So clearly, we have to try a different approach. I’ll remain impartial, negotiate with the whole union in mind, and leave the choice to the voters.’

This.

Idea for a Twitter account called Italian CCHQ. Tweets "Ohhh we cutta the benefits!" etc. Handful of retweets, Sun story calling for my hanging, loads of DMs from red angry men

— Italian CCHQ (@jmsclee) November 20, 2019

what's the matter with you hey! gotta no home and living in a tent

that's a spicy immigration policy

Plucked this gem out from a good thread of ppl doing the work:

The most surprising response I've had so far was from someone who would vote for Labour if Frank Field was leader.

— James Thomson (@jamesthomson68) November 20, 2019

was it rentoul? the undead are very tribal

lol xp was it John Rentoul

funniest bit of bullshit I ever heard (from a Labour councillor trying to get a favour out of me or appeal to my preformative leftism or whatever ) was "I have only ever met 3 people in politics I've truly trusted and liked. One is Gordon Brown, one is Ken Livingstone and the other is Jeremy Corbyn.. " badum tish

lol, performative leftism even

Not attacking Boris personally was good praxis. Peoples personal opinion of Boris isn't going to change any. Sticking to your own game and not getting sucked into that will do him good with older voters, particularly those expecting gulags to come firing out of his eyes.

I don't like civility generally and prefer sorting things out with fists but there's a time and a place, especially when the neutrals are in town

"I don't like civility generally and prefer sorting things out with fists"

lol!

can't spell neutral without ultra

me polling card's just come, it's like an early christmas present

(xps) regarding the 1st post in that twitter thread (good thread, thank you):

Been running the board the last couple of sessions; our vote holding up and also worth noting that the “I’M A LIFELONG LABOUR VOTER BUT WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CORBYN” types are never, ever down on the sheet as anything like lifelong Labour voters. Typical data is ?-?-D-A-A. https://t.co/nHIGhnDyqa

— Socialist Dad (@shirleymush) November 20, 2019

can someone explain what the "?-?-D-A-A" stand for? (did not vote? against??)

Are those taken from what the voter says to the canvasser, or from official collation of ballot papers, or from the people collecting numbers outside polling stations?

(just wondering. I've only been canvassed once and am never sure how polite or otherwise to be to the people in rosettes at polling stations - whether I'm supposed to talk to the one from the party I'm voting for, or whoever addresses me first, or whether I'm better off striding past them without letting any of them intercept me)

if they're wearing a blue or yellow rosette i just tell them politely to get tae fuck

Lib Dems get really pissy when you won't give them your number, it's brilliant

fists

shouting some sweary abuse at tory leafleters is some hearty christmas fare

Reported last night: Johnson and Corbyn level-pegging on who did best in #ITVdebate. Not reported: when @yougov asked the same viewers seperately about the performances of the two men, Corbyn (Well 67%, badly 32%) defeated Johnson (59-41%) https://t.co/nR1dikO1Ch

— Peter Kellner (@PeterKellner1) November 20, 2019

Why do people have this idea that people of colour are just automatically believed and listened to regarding racism? As if “race card” and “chip on your shoulder” aren’t highly popular rhetorics. Stop gaslighting us in the name of fighting anti-Semitism.

— Friendly Black Ugly (@dezzaxx_) November 20, 2019

It’s shocking how people in the media brazenly act as though there’s a hierarchy of racism and that the concerns of black people or Muslims are seen as trivial. https://t.co/IQNPO4A6nc

— Mindset Mentality (@J_MoAGoGo) November 19, 2019

Another day another non black person claiming that only anti-black racism is taken seriously...

All while our current prime minister called us piccaninnies with watermelon smiles. And the one before that was responsible for the Windrush scandal. pic.twitter.com/7ALE1SgooC

— plz do better, trans men (@itsjacksonbbz) November 18, 2019

And also? A lot of the people noisily concerned are themselves massive racists, and I would be really surprised if you saw them open their mouths about the treatment afforded to the last Labour leader. Or Bercow. Or Letwin.

Kind of depressing to walk into the lift at work today and overhear this conversation, "I'm Labour but I'm not voting for Corbyn", "What's the alternative?" "Boris! I don't like him but it has to be Boris".

So many people have Very Real Objections to doing what anyone on the left has had to do for years and holding their nose and voting.

that's a conversation happening up and down the country. it's beserk, but it can't be overlooked that Corbyn has an image problem for one reason or another, and that's going to affect everything

People who vote according to a Labour leader's 'image' are all just looking for any excuse to vote Tory without feeling so judged.

When it is someone who once did the blackface with a pineapple on his head making the most ridiculous AS accusation I have ever seen - it doesn't really help anybody.

fs I am dead

fair play i'm not jo swinson's biggest fan but thought she gave a great account of herself here. can see this sort of stuff really connecting with people https://t.co/BZM5BQ2zSB pic.twitter.com/3Xw1VkBa0U

— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) November 20, 2019

People who vote according to a Labour leader's 'image' are all just looking for any excuse to vote Tory without feeling so judged.

'Not a good leader' was the woman in the lift's excuse - but then neither was Miliband apparently, so, despite being 'Labour' when did she last vote Labour I wonder?

lol 40% of Lib Dem voters said Boris performed better in the Brexit section last night, absolute clown party. Though I can see why they might grAvitate to useless sloganeering...

People who vote according to a Labour leader's 'image' are all just looking for any excuse to vote Tory without feeling so judged.

― nashwan, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:50 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

First off, there are more than two parties.

Second off, some people might think Labour aren't strong enough on issues like Europe or antisemitism. Or they're questioning how he proposes to pull off his campaign promises. Or they might just think he'd make a rubbish PM.

I hate this 'If you don't <3 Corbyn your a Tory' partisanship, like it's some sort of binary choice, or a barometre of how left-wing someone is.

GET HIM

I hate this 'If you don't <3 Corbyn your a Tory' partisanship, like it's some sort of binary choice, or a barometre of how left-wing someone is.

Not really when the anecdote I told was about a woman who was asked what the alternative to Corbyn was and she said, "Boris, it has to be Boris".

xp hahaha

Not really when the anecdote I told was about a woman who was asked what the alternative to Corbyn was and she said, "Boris, it has to be Boris".

― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:11 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tom D. - Agreed. That sounds to me like it's more of a matter of being under informed but I don't know that person's background. Either they're not really very politically inclined and just voted Labour because that's what their parents did and then got swayed by peers or the media, or maybe they've always been third-way capitalists who <3 Blair and want to bomb Iraq all over again... My point is that it's not uncommon and it has to be acknowledged as a thing that is happening. I find the sour-grapes 'didn't want you anyway' attitude I'm hearing from Labour supporters quite frustrating as I feel it's actively putting people off from coming back to the party.

I would ask people focused on leadership (or Corbyn’s apparent lack thereof) as a concept to set out what attributes their ideal leader has. Is it a sense of being ‘commanding’? Do you just want to be told what to do all the time? Do you want to feel like part of a team, or like you are being listened to? Or do you just want to see the manager and know that your say-so will get that little shit in trouble?

no shit there are more than two parties, but under fptp only two have a chance of running the government and in a lot of constituencies voting for the one means the other is more likely to get in?

Like I could vote Green, but doing so only makes it more likely my seat stays Tory...?

Either they're not really very politically inclined and just voted Labour because that's what their parents did and then got swayed by peers or the media, or maybe they've always been third-way capitalists who <3 Blair and want to bomb Iraq all over again...

Almost certainly the former.

it's fine to think Jerzy Cromulent might not be the best potential PM, but that always has to be judged in comparison to the alternative, does it not? The Tories haven't exactly set a high bar here have they.