He had nothing to do with that, right? (After the fact, that is). I saw it once back when, and I also remember enjoying it.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 12:39 (four years ago) link
who the hell do you get to play Jake Gittes
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
Christian Slater
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
(j/k I have no interest in watching Christian Slater in anything)
thought about making that joke but he's too old now, obviously
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
avon barksdale
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
Jonah Hill
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
omg just noticed the real kicker at the bottom of that article cuz lol why would anyone want to watch this
The streamer is currently prepping the drama series “Ratched” starring Sarah Paulson from executive producer Ryan Murphy. The series will explore the backstory of the infamous Nurse Ratched from “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.”
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
xpost Duh, they'll just spend millions to de-age Nicholson. And also Faye. And also her sister/daughter will be de-aged into a baby.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
gay ppl w/ bad taste xp
Gittes doesn't know Evelyn before the events of the original film (which I remind you had a sequel)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
Doesn't mean they won't put them both in the movie! Sillier things (like a sequel to Chinatown) have happened.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
Funniest would be if they spent millions on de-aging but for slater
― YouGov to see it (wins), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link
Towne wouldn't do that to his best known creation, can't see Fincher doing it either. Presumably it will be about the original trauma Jake suffered in Chinatown, alluded to but never made explicit in Polanski's film.
xp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
Maybe it will take place 200 years before the first movie.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
Sillier things (like a sequel to Chinatown)
Towne conceived of it as a trilogy, but The Two Jakes' lack of success (it's not a bad film) torpedoed the third one.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
yeah the trilogy thing at least made some thematic sense (water, oil and I forget the third thing...)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
fire I think
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
(they could do that one set in 2019...)
yeah The Two Jakes is actually good, Nicholson is excellent and Keitel is his equal as the other Jake.
― omar little, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
Good enough, iirc. But not necessary, and as far as I remember it no one would miss much if they saw Chinatown but not the sequel.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
we have Mank teaser. looks good imo
https://youtu.be/J_NqUYwngr0
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
Looks like "Sin City," was this all green screen?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
Really worried this film will fall into Pauline Kael’s “Raising Kane” garbage about Mank being the primary author of the script
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
we'll see. Fincher not really the sort to skimp on research but who knows what his dad's script is like
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
xp. it does apparently
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link
supposedly that was the case with versions of the script that circulated in the 90s, although who knows if its changed over the years
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
A screen card informs viewers that “Herman Mankiewicz died in 1953. Today Citizen Kane is widely regarded as the best movie ever made. Virtually everyone thinks that Orson Welles wrote it.”
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
They both got an Oscar for writing it. I don’t know why this is such a bone of contention for some people. Ridiculous. Welles revised the hell out of it, and completely deserves co-authorship credit of the script
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
and now Fincher's dad will get an Oscar for writing this. symmetry!
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
This is an amazing time to be a Welles fan, given how we now have The Other Side of the Wind, Too Much Johnson, Welles/Hopper,a fresh Quixote restoration attempt, beautiful Blu-Rays of his films. But in spite of all of this newfound reevaluation and wealth of fresh insights into his creative gifts, we're being getting "Pauline Kael's Raising Kane: The Motion Picture".
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
I just want it to be good tbh, it's not like Welles ever let the facts get in the way of a good yarn
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:25 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
well finche's dad has been dead since the early 00s so unless finches has substantially revised the plot of his dead dad's script...
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
my autocorrect does not like the name fincher
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
he's a notorious control freak so anything's possible
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
full disclosure i've never thought highly of fincher and would not be totally surprised if he'd fallen for the 'raising kane' line. its one of those bogus things like the shakespeare authorship debate where it makes some people feel smart to feel like they're challenging the conventional wisdom, 'everything you know is wrong', etc.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
my current Finchy rankings
god tier:
ZodiacGone GirlSocial Network(Mindhunter)
solid-to-OK tier:
Panic RoomFight ClubSevenBenjamin ButtonAlien 3The Game
fuck off:
Dragon Tattoo(House of Cards)
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
also to a frustrated screenwriter like Fincher's dad...
― Number None, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link
guys no one has seen the movie yet
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
I was afraid Ben Mankiewicz would get into this crap with Peter Bogdanovich on the TCM podcast, but he largely avoided it (and instead took us to other stupid segues and avoiding half of Bogdanovich’s oeuvre)
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
But so much of the fun in filmgoing nowadays is speculation!
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
honestly even if he was a shit director, Fincher would be in my good books forever for his persistent trolling of Ben Affleck
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link
proper trailer, more of the same but still looking pretty tite to me
https://youtu.be/aSfX-nrg-lI
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
On paper, David Fincher’s MANK is a movie I *should* love, but instead just admire. Incredibly well crafted, shot, acted. But the story left me cold. I now know more about Mank’s feelings toward the 1934 California gubernatorial race than I do his feelings toward Orson Welles.— Mike Ryan (@mikeryan) October 30, 2020
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 31 October 2020 02:40 (three years ago) link
give me those horse genealogies and dental records
― wasdnous (abanana), Saturday, 31 October 2020 12:29 (three years ago) link
tons of reviews kicking around now. seems like ppl who are hung up on the authorship angle are indeed going to be pissed, but also that it's far from the single focus
As in the The Social Network, Fincher is conscious of the explanatory clichés of the biopic and avoids them. Penned by Fincher’s late father, Jack Fincher, Mank is a stubbornly glorious work of inside baseball, with appearances by the likes of Josef von Sternberg (Paul Fox), Ben Hecht (Jeff Harms), Charles MacArthur (John Churchill), David O. Selznick (Toby Leonard Moore), Charles Lederer (Joseph Cross), and Mank’s younger brother, Joseph Mankiewicz (Tom Pelphrey). Though they portray Joseph pitilessly as a politico, the filmmakers tell the audience little about the interrelationships between these and other influential people. One won’t learn of the Algonquin Round Table from Mank, though it’s alluded to, and an amusing pitch meeting involving von Sternberg and Hecht is even funnier if one knows that Hecht previously co-wrote a picture for the director—1927’s Underworld—that’s the sort of genre fare that von Sternberg appears to want to transcend in Mank.These sorts of barely articulated cross-associations suggest a bygone society driven by an infrastructure of unknowable vastness. And the opportunity to conjure such a labyrinthine and increasingly sinister impression of community is what excites Fincher throughout Mank. Like many of his other films, especially Fight Club, Zodiac, and The Social Network, Mank is a parable on the limits of control, fashioned with rueful self-awareness by one of Hollywood’s most famous contemporary control freaks. As a cartoonist had to live with his inability to crack the riddle of the Zodiac killer, Mank must live with an existence, fashioned in part by his own self-loathing and lack of discipline, in which he’s to ineffectually bear witness to the flexing of American corruption as represented by an intersection between the press, Hollywood, and the government. Such a theme also very consciously aligns Mank with the “fallen, not-quite-great man” themes of Citizen Kane.
These sorts of barely articulated cross-associations suggest a bygone society driven by an infrastructure of unknowable vastness. And the opportunity to conjure such a labyrinthine and increasingly sinister impression of community is what excites Fincher throughout Mank. Like many of his other films, especially Fight Club, Zodiac, and The Social Network, Mank is a parable on the limits of control, fashioned with rueful self-awareness by one of Hollywood’s most famous contemporary control freaks. As a cartoonist had to live with his inability to crack the riddle of the Zodiac killer, Mank must live with an existence, fashioned in part by his own self-loathing and lack of discipline, in which he’s to ineffectually bear witness to the flexing of American corruption as represented by an intersection between the press, Hollywood, and the government. Such a theme also very consciously aligns Mank with the “fallen, not-quite-great man” themes of Citizen Kane.
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-david-finchers-mank-is-a-self-aware-parable-on-the-limits-of-control/
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
The rep theatre in London (Ontario--still open, but probably one color-zone from closing up again) is playing Mank and Citizen Kane back-to-back for a few days next week. Definitely anxious to see this, and the trailer looks good. I do think Mank is a poor title, though I understand its relevancy. It just doesn't sound very good.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
This piece is dated yesterday, but it says the list has been circulating for a while, so maybe it's already somewhere on this thread.
https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/david-fincher-favorite-movies-streaming/
Like looking in a mirror for me. (So I'll mention again that, along with the two films of his I love, I dislike both Seven and Fight Club.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
No specific complaints about Mank--well made, performances fine (the guy who plays Welles--knew this from the trailer already--is uncanny)--but the truth is I was a little bored at times. Definitely going to read one of Upton Sinclair's famous novels, though.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link
Will never be able to read that title without thinking of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33JwhnLP2AM
― Langdon Alger Stole the Highlights (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link
I think you might have hit on why it sounds so terrible to me. (Also sounds like "rank," and "Ronco.")
― clemenza, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link