Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

“Interview me you absolute coward” is poetry

if it isn;t just a mistranscription the falklands line is a joke that went over KGM's head

― mark s, Monday, November 18, 2019 11:23 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

From 4.01 on (it's not pretty tbf): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgaRehO-oiY

(he does shake his head after 'Falklands War')

“Interview me you absolute coward” is poetry

― gyac, Monday, November 18, 2019 11:32 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

YES!

I have these memories of MES saying : I'm a socialist me from some 80's nme interview and later floating around my head. But my memory is obv very defective and unreliable at the moment! Even if his politics are good, can't stand that cunt out of beautiful south, never could!

MES has some...interesting views in this

https://thequietus.com/articles/09277-mark-e-smith-nick-cave-shane-macgowan-nme-interview

Apropos of nothing, having looked up that video, one of Noodle Vague's posts of yore haunts my mind. Something to the effect of loving The Fall but hating what MES came to stand for.

annoying there's an edit just as MES shakes his head (meaning not pro-war i think), and then the follow-up is blurry

this was the swp line as far as i can tell (duncan hallas wd not have been an outlier): https://www.marxists.org/archive/hallas/works/1982/05/socwar.htm

it's honestly not very clear! i think it boils down to "denounce both sides in this the war, absolutely NO solidarity with the fascist argentine"

(but i mainly derived this interpretation from a much later piece by the AWL's sean matgamna saying that the SWP and the AWL (at that time socialist organiser) in this instance took the same line (correct acc.matgamna)

recent ex-swuppies c.hitchens and j.burchill wer both very enthusiastically pro the war (on the grounds that galtieri was a fascist)

(i still don't believe he joined tho)

wasn't MES from a comfortable plumbing contractor clan? I think he probably (like many in the music biz) kind of overstated how poor his background was and often talked much shite, a bit like a UKIP railing against metropolitan elites or NME hacks in this case.

(meaning not pro-war i think)

Close-read: This is what I perceived the head-shaking to mean as well. Guru-Murthy feeds MES the words 'Falklands War' as if it's an inside joke, a known 'comedic' answer that MES vocally confirms, in on the joke, but he shakes his head in a 'u know it's not tru tho' way.

building trade i think -- he says in renegade that it's why he knew the world trade centre was structurally unsound lol, from stuff his dad taught him

As well as never saying he was a socialist he also never said he was poor or from a poor background, as far as I'm aware.

His shtick in interviews used to be often about 50% antagonise the interviewer with class warfare trolling. I know I didnt remember that part wrongly cos it was often the only reason I liked him.

I remember MES once saying in an interview that he had recently voted Tory in a local council election, because he thought she was a strong local candidate who got stuff done. So that might be where the Tory-voting stuff came from.

I’m sorry but

SM: You're anti-socialist, too. Ain't you?

MES: Yeah. I'm an extreme anti-socialist. You don't live on a housing estate in a city where there's been socialism for 30 years and they keep saying it's gonna get better all the time and it never does. Thirty fucking years of it getting worse and worse. You obviously haven't experienced that, living in London.

SM: What's the alternative?

MES: I don't have to worry about that. I'm an adult. I'm working class, me. I come from a generation that fuckin' created this nation pal. You lot, you just sit around and talk about socialism, you're the bloody problem. Eighty per cent of this country are white trash, working class. How come they don't vote Labour? 'Cos the Labour Party area fuckin' disgrace, that's why. I'm against socialism on principle. Engels – he was a factory owner in Manchester exploiting 13 year-old girls. Learn your history, pal, learn your history. I suppose you blame all Ireland's problems on the British. All the problems of the world are down to Britain. That's what you think, why don't you say it? You can't bloody tell me anything about oppression cos, I'll tell you something pal, if you'd been part of Germany, you'd have been liquidated. If you were part of Russia, you wouldn't even exist.


Don't tell me about oppression, my parents and grandparents were exploited to the hilt. Sent to wars, they had gangrene in their teeth. My grandfather was at Dunkirk and all you can see is Margaret Thatcher on my face when, actually, she's on Nick's face. Isn't she Nick? Come on, Nick, help me out. Basically, I like to discuss things right down the line and I don't agree with anybody...

i liked when he said that it wasn't true he couldn't sing in tune, he had a beautiful singing voice he just chose not to use it

Yes, he's talking to two public schoolboys so he's ratcheting it up.

cool fairness doctrine

Most of the British press is acting as the campaigning arm of the Conservative Party. Just look at the state of this. https://t.co/aWaL3lKXkc pic.twitter.com/SuUVy1f6wn

— Owen REGISTER TO VOTE Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) November 18, 2019

So what's new?

kuennsberg is a CP activist

Tory candidate suspended in Aberdeen North, Labour chair quits in Leicester East https://t.co/Djq7lOHBOy

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) November 19, 2019

i liked when he said that it wasn't true he couldn't sing in tune, he had a beautiful singing voice he just chose not to use it

― mark s, Monday, November 18, 2019 11:21 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

"Edinburgh Man", beautiful is pushing it a little but yeah

xp
he looks like a bit of a John Thomas

LOL @ this character, a prime example of the sort of local Labour politician who's alienated so many Labour voters over the years.

So he objects to the new Labour candidate, the previous one was Keith Vaz?

Precisely.

meanwhile LK reports tory candidate suspended for homophobia and antisemitism but only links the labour story 🤔

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A viral story claims that Jo Swinson was caught firing stones at squirrels. It's obviously not true, but has been widely shared online. The Lib Dem leader told LBC that social media networks have questions to answer over the spread of "very fake news".https://t.co/IEorJ1SRur

— LBC (@LBC) November 19, 2019

kuennsberg is a CP activist

lovely to turn on the radio and hear Kate Andrews explaining how cuts to corporation tax make workers and consumers better off.

don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s trickle-down economics

Corbyn did pretty well in the 2017 debates but he performed below, say, Nicola Sturgeon in them.

Boris isn't very good at all in that kind of environment - he is terrible at dealing with unexpected scrutiny - but he will go one better than May by virtue of turning up.

Worth pointing out that he will at least have a few prerehearsed zings designed to fly on social media and they will presumably do so.

Wasn’t the Leicester East guy who quit also Keith Vaz’ agent?

I agree it might still be a mistake for the LibDems and SNP not to be included, Swinson would have been shown up by Sturgeon and her punching left routine would have reflected very badly on her in that context.

But she would still need to be better than Boris, its unpalatable but we still need her to be convincing enough to persuade enough Tory voters to vote LibDem.

I suspect one on one with Corbyn was the only way Johnson agreed to the debate, seeing as his two predecessors didn't need to do it (but he does have more seats to win).

Johnson:his stupid letters as May:getting the lectern out

Tonight I’ve written to Jeremy Corbyn to ask him whether he’s made up his mind on Brexit.

Because that is why we are having this election, to end the gridlock, get Brexit done, and move on as a country. pic.twitter.com/2msZlJbZ4Q

— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) November 18, 2019

"But she would still need to be better than Boris, its unpalatable but we still need her to be convincing enough to persuade enough Tory voters to vote LibDem."

Thinking it's better for Swinson to be left out of it, in case she is a turn off to those Tory switchers

Bad news for Jo Swinson’s Liberal Democrats

Jo Swinson suffered a double blow last night with polling showing that voters like her less as they see her more and the High Court rejecting the Liberal Democrats’ attempt to gain a place in a televised election debate tonight.

Polling analysis shows that Ms Swinson, 39, is far better known since becoming party leader in July, but almost all of those to have formed a view of her have formed a negative one. The shift has been negative even with Remain voters.

In what is shaping up to be a presidential campaign, she had hoped to force ITV to include her in tonight’s first debate with Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn.

Btw, A++ convo on whether MES was a commie or not.

I did randomly catch Beautiful South doing "Build" on some TOTP re-run and while terrible it does explain his Corbyn-love and how that interview with Peston would go down.

Looks like the Lib Dems could seriously fuck this up, so keeping Swinson out of it while exposing Johnson as much as possible seems like our best opportunity

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/tory-candidate-tenants-tent-field

Nice guy. It'll probably win him votes though.

Like Mr Thomas from Leicester this is another example of the calibre of people being driven out of the Labour Party by the Islingtonian elite.

I don't know how but this kind of thing in that link is what has to be fought against, whether the Tories win or lose.

Former Labour member as well, who quit because of the hard left influence

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/105033/labour-frontbencher-gloria-de-pieros-former

As we’ve seen before, it’s good that these people no longer feel welcome in the party.

Told that billionaire John Caudwell has threatened to leave the UK if Labour wins the election, John McDonnell says: “Tell him to come and have a cup of tea with me.” #r4today

— Kevin Schofield (@PolhomeEditor) November 19, 2019

I’m gonna be drunk if I have ‘Jeremy clears his throat’ in debate bingo tonight.

his voice still playing up ?

Is there a debate bingo going?

- Boris ruffles his hair
- Jeremy looks over his glasses
- cut to shot of aggrieved looking pink man in audience
- Boris mentions “communism”
- Boris’s voice does that strained sounding thing when he gets pissed off
- ISSSSSSSSYOU

- “semi-Marxist”
- “oven ready, bang it in the microwave”

Whoever has 'Get Brexit Done' should have an ambulance and/or saline drip preemptively booked.