Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

jo swindon DESTROYED, you hate to see it

BREAKING General election 2019: Lib Dems and SNP lose ITV debate legal challenge https://t.co/zCRq61zxSt pic.twitter.com/WtsMa5P7Uc

— BBC Scotland News (@BBCScotlandNews) November 18, 2019

Lol ITV are already advertising the programme without that dork, RIP democracy

Tbh they probably benefit more from her being shut out by SEXISM than allowed on to be completely hopeless

Yeah, some ppl were saying, 'don't let her on, she and Johnson will gang up on Corbyn' and I'm like, 'good! yes! please can she do that!'

A lot of centrists tell on themselves when they call the left "anti-west" it reeks of "We should be able to slaughter people in other countries with impunity and never be held to account." A combination of British exceptionalism and overt racism.

— Sinan Kose 🦎 (@TheSinanKose) November 17, 2019

how do we think the first debate will go

also good shit TH and comrade alpha 👊🏻

Boris is hopeless so Corbz would have to be really off form not to come out of it better than he went in.

Corbyn was decent in the debates in 2017 and in the Labour leadership ones both times

Anyway, as I've mentioned - once, twice, seven times - I think it's an act of incredible folly on Boris Johnson's part to have agreed not one, but two one-on-one debates with Jeremy Corbyn. Here are my six reasons why: https://t.co/7VWTL4KXWF

— Stephen Bush (@stephenkb) November 18, 2019

Exclusive: Labour manifesto to pledge a Corbyn government would review the legacy of British colonial rule across the globe.https://t.co/ISfRzl49ir

— Paul Waugh (@paulwaugh) November 18, 2019

Expecting howls of outrage over this one.

jiminy... your tweet should have ended after word 8

This is a genuinely decent thing to do but not sure why it’s in the manifesto: what vote does it win them that they didn’t almost certainly already have? And what votes may it lose them, for voters with (yes, wrongly) nostalgic views of empire? https://t.co/os7lwJcCLu

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) November 18, 2019

For a party that is being constantly accused of gammon triangulation it is worth noting that this is the kind of policy that could turn off those voters, which maybe goes to show... something

xp I don't get it? Why do anything in politics if not for $votes$?!

Jimmy testicle is the fucking guy from all the Bors comics

Jim bollock: (gravely) we cant say for sure but Jemery Coybrn could be the biggest antisemite of all time

Also Jim bollock: ehh??? The British empire was...bad??? Who cares about that lad? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As far as electoral calculation plays into this, it's clearly challenging the progressive, open-minded Lib Dems to a game of Cunt Chicken.

You're only being sarcastic about it because it may effect your ridiculous wage. Interview me you absolute coward Peston, and I'll tell you, as a socialist how things would work under Corbyn

— Paul Heaton (@PaulHeatonSolo) November 18, 2019

lol this one is testing my loyalties

I'd still think he sucked shit if he was a nazi paedo-melt!

he would suck shit if he was a nazi-paedo melt

mark e smith used to always to say he was a socialist, but came out with some reprehensible shit about asylum seekers.

Paul otm

pestpn's a clown, heaton is funny and smart but his music's bad and he shd feel bad

yes!

Peston so deserved to be dragged, it might as well be by Paul

I don't think Mark E. Smith ever said he was a socialist?

oh he definitely did, but I might be going back into vintage 80's/90's interviews here

More like 1979, he was voting Tory in the 80s. Or so he said.

He took an interest in politics and, after a spell as a Labour supporter, veered further left and joined the Socialist Workers party. This never stopped him from expressing illiberal or conservative views.

can we arrange to have The Ghost Of MES appear in DCI Civility pls anvil

maybe it's my fucked up memory but i am sure i remember him declaring himself a socialist a few times, but he was probably pissed or speeding most of the time.

MES in the SWP?!??!! mark s help me out here!

and was interviewed by fan Krishnan Guru-Murthy for the Channel 4 News, revealing that he quit the Labour Party in 1983 to join the Socialist Workers Party because he was in favour of the Falklands War

Well, that makes perfect sense! Sounds like he'd been at the Brasso.

his obit in socialist review says he "supported" them in the 80s (which likely means he didn't *join* them per se* but did express support for rock against racism)

*i mean no way wd he have been a paperseller more than like once (he'd have been good at it but he would NOT have stuck to the line)

Can't imagine MES having ever, literally, said "I'm a socialist" tho tbf

if it isn;t just a mistranscription the falklands line is a joke that went over KGM's head

this was his politics: "if it's me and the international revolutionary working class on bongos, it's the fall"

*socialism

“Interview me you absolute coward” is poetry

if it isn;t just a mistranscription the falklands line is a joke that went over KGM's head

― mark s, Monday, November 18, 2019 11:23 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

From 4.01 on (it's not pretty tbf): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgaRehO-oiY

(he does shake his head after 'Falklands War')

“Interview me you absolute coward” is poetry

― gyac, Monday, November 18, 2019 11:32 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

YES!

I have these memories of MES saying : I'm a socialist me from some 80's nme interview and later floating around my head. But my memory is obv very defective and unreliable at the moment! Even if his politics are good, can't stand that cunt out of beautiful south, never could!

MES has some...interesting views in this

https://thequietus.com/articles/09277-mark-e-smith-nick-cave-shane-macgowan-nme-interview

Apropos of nothing, having looked up that video, one of Noodle Vague's posts of yore haunts my mind. Something to the effect of loving The Fall but hating what MES came to stand for.

annoying there's an edit just as MES shakes his head (meaning not pro-war i think), and then the follow-up is blurry

this was the swp line as far as i can tell (duncan hallas wd not have been an outlier): https://www.marxists.org/archive/hallas/works/1982/05/socwar.htm

it's honestly not very clear! i think it boils down to "denounce both sides in this the war, absolutely NO solidarity with the fascist argentine"

(but i mainly derived this interpretation from a much later piece by the AWL's sean matgamna saying that the SWP and the AWL (at that time socialist organiser) in this instance took the same line (correct acc.matgamna)

recent ex-swuppies c.hitchens and j.burchill wer both very enthusiastically pro the war (on the grounds that galtieri was a fascist)

(i still don't believe he joined tho)

wasn't MES from a comfortable plumbing contractor clan? I think he probably (like many in the music biz) kind of overstated how poor his background was and often talked much shite, a bit like a UKIP railing against metropolitan elites or NME hacks in this case.

(meaning not pro-war i think)

Close-read: This is what I perceived the head-shaking to mean as well. Guru-Murthy feeds MES the words 'Falklands War' as if it's an inside joke, a known 'comedic' answer that MES vocally confirms, in on the joke, but he shakes his head in a 'u know it's not tru tho' way.