2020 Democratic presidential primary

yerac is right. i don't know what kind of public shaming can put all the fash lube back the nazi bottle that has come out since obama, but shit is so oiled up at this point

west wing is just a pmc wet dream where the wielding of power is carried out by very smart, very well-meaning technocrats, who determine policy through debate and ideas, in a non-partisan way, not mediated by powerful interests.

favourite example of the show's ludicrously idealistic bent: in one ep the democratic president played by martin sheen appoints a conservative and a liberal judge to the supreme court at the same time because they're both talented and good faith jurists who will hash out things fairly!!!!!

whoever the dem president ends up being will need a focused 'task force' to clean up all the atrocities from the Trump administration. They won't be able to get anything new done otherwise.

Leaving aside his judicial legacy of course. That’s going to be around for a generation

This is the tweet exemplifies the contempt Trump and his family have for public servants. They have ZERO concept of why people do jobs for anything other than money, self-promotion, or personal gain. pic.twitter.com/RzHtYFxmgv

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) November 15, 2019

Sorry that belongs on the main US politics thread

xpost, i was thinking first of the immense work that it will take to try to identify and reunite all the children with their parents.

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) won a major endorsement from a key union group Saturday as her presidential campaign works to break out of a months-long plateau in the polls.

Harris received the endorsement of the United Farm Workers (UFW), a California-based group that was established by liberal icons Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta, among others, and has longstanding ties to progressive politics. The union represents more than 10,000 agricultural workers across the West Coast.

“She stood with us on heat protections. She marched with us for overtime protections. We support @KamalaHarris because of her leadership on immigrant justice and her fight for our equal treatment as farm workers. #WeFeedYou,” UFW tweeted in its announcement.

not exactly a huge surprise, considering:

the United Farm Workers exec board voted to endorse @KamalaHarris. The union's co-founder Dolores Huerta endorsed Harris in February and is a campaign co-chair in California https://t.co/2FSdo9s5ri

— Rachel Cohen (@rmc031) November 16, 2019

The left lost that fight, the public ended up being much happier with a public option rather than m4a.

This is just beautifully dumb. The left lost that fight... months before any vote was cast in the Democratic primary, the only way you could actually determine what any part of the public wants.

xp, better than nothing, but it's the board only (not the members), and the UFW is not an influential union in 2019

Xp I mean it’s not looking very good at the moment.

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:57 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

https://i.imgur.com/nt5iai7.gif

NEW #IOWAPOLL:

Buttigieg: 25%
Warren: 16%
Biden: 15%
Sanders: 15%
Klobuchar: 6%
Booker: 3%
Gabbard: 3%
Harris: 3%
Steyer: 3%
Yang: 3%
Bloomberg: 2%
Bennet: 1%

No other candidate polled above 0%. https://t.co/3k1E7HXWAD

— Des Moines Register (@DMRegister) November 17, 2019

goddammit

lmao

don't think he will ultimately win the nomination, but Ilike Buttigieg

km go straight to your room and think about what you've done

no animating for a full month

why though xposts

Not even Thanksgiving

ok so just so i understand, pete's message is "im smart and im a good boy and i will beat trump be he's dumb and a bad boy" right?

yes, he's smart, level, thoughtful, non-dramatic, has good instincts, and would be a good foil to Trump

No that's Sebastian Bach's

I recognize it would have to be paired with significant campaign finance reform bc otherwise having shitloads of money would be an even greater advantage, but otherwise why the hell cant we just have one big national primary that takes place on one day? Most votes wins. I know Iowa isn’t the be all end all now but it does have ridiculously outsized influence. If Pete wins there I think he’s going to remain a viable contender no matter how poorly he does in the south.

national primary would give even more weight to party insiders and whoever has the most name recognition as of day 1. like you don't get obama in 2008 for example.

Considering this week's campaign fuckup re non endorsements I'm gonna need citations on "smart" and "thoughtful" tbh

just an impression, I'm reluctant to follow this closely

My preference is for Harris

I think Obama is right in the NYT article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/barack-obama-2020-dems.html

How the hell is Pete pulling such a big lead in Iowa? Did the other candidates give up?

it's one poll

has Obama re-emerged over the Trump years to do anything but punch left

why would that would be a demerit

*would that be

you punch left, i punch right
we're caught up in the middle of a deep swamp fight
–john rich

why would that would be a demerit

oh I dunno there might be some other ills kicking around worthy of mention

Mayor Pete fans itt. US ilxors are a trip

also US ilxors have a vote

Most us ilxors dont have a vote that will matter

why would that would be a demerit

― Dan S, Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:03 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bc the logic used by moderates to punch left is the same logic used by conservative to punch dems which undermines support for any of the dem platform. i.e. when pete or biden harp on "m4a will take away your plan" and "how do we pay fpr this" those are precisely the lines the gop used against obamacare and will be used again to undermine their more moderate plans. they are supplying the right with ammunition instead of changing the conversation on health care that might actually sell the public on a more progressive plan and take the wind out of the right's sails.

I agree with changing the conversation about health care but I think it also only changes in increments

xp we have much more of a vote in the primaries than in the general election

I think it also only changes in increments

may I recommend reading anything about history ever

I agree with changing the conversation about health care but I think it also only changes in increments

― Dan S, Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:43 PM (eleven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

sure, it's just that moderate dems are not changing it at all by attacking m4a.

I don't think they're attacking it, just being realistic. We're not going to just leap from our current status to medicare for all. I think it will happen, but in carefully negotiated steps

lol "being realistic"

in that case Warren should be yr candidate since that's her brand now xp

luv 2 have adults in the room

Good talk guys

i will repeat this shit til im blue in the face.

bipartisan support is (mostly) a mirage. when you get it, its bc its a bad policy (no child left behind, iraq war).

intense partisan support is good. when you have it, you get what you want.

the plan that "can pass" is the one led by the candidate who can generate the most base enthusiasm and pack as many of your side into the house and senate. a moderate democrat, no matter how nice they are to republicans, is not going to get that.

NEVER BARGAIN AGAINST YOURSELF. dems who are seeking advantage against each other by walking away from at LEAST full m4a are doing some dumb games. warren's dumbest big move imo.