2020 Democratic presidential primary

Steyer may be some rich asshole who wants to buy the office but at least he (so far) doesn't seem to be a fucking goddamned idiot in his campaign. Give him time I guess.

lol https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470731-bloomberg-does-not-file-to-run-in-new-hampshire-primary

re: warren. I know this is a reasonable approach but everyone wanted to kill the other candidates when they proposed what's essentially the same thing.

― akm, 15. november 2019 23:32 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This isn't really true from what I was able to see of the polling. The left lost that fight, the public ended up being much happier with a public option rather than m4a. Warren tries to combine the two, which is extremely weird, but Warren's whole shtick is this weird ability to get all the technocrats who love The West Wing into these complicated roadmaps for a communist takeover ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

God I hate that the West Wing has become such an important signifier in the discourse... because I really don’t feel like watching it and now I’m constantly missing something.

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oh we lost the m4a fight already? Cool, good to know.

Yeah I'm not sure that's commonly accepted.

I've also never seen the West Wing so don't get all the references to it either xpost. I assume it's something about white person middle class plastic optimism/nostalgia.

My stance is that any win for public option is a long term win for single payer, the same way Obamacare was the first step towards both of these solutions.

Once citizens see that they are overpaying the premium for a service that is of equal or of lesser quality, a switch is going to happen.

^ perhaps a very West Wing post.

whoever the dem president ends up being will need a focused 'task force' to clean up all the atrocities from the Trump administration. They won't be able to get anything new done otherwise.

That’s the whole Biden argument, and it’s a good one. But there is like 15 other equally important things.

yerac is right. i don't know what kind of public shaming can put all the fash lube back the nazi bottle that has come out since obama, but shit is so oiled up at this point

west wing is just a pmc wet dream where the wielding of power is carried out by very smart, very well-meaning technocrats, who determine policy through debate and ideas, in a non-partisan way, not mediated by powerful interests.

favourite example of the show's ludicrously idealistic bent: in one ep the democratic president played by martin sheen appoints a conservative and a liberal judge to the supreme court at the same time because they're both talented and good faith jurists who will hash out things fairly!!!!!

whoever the dem president ends up being will need a focused 'task force' to clean up all the atrocities from the Trump administration. They won't be able to get anything new done otherwise.

Leaving aside his judicial legacy of course. That’s going to be around for a generation

This is the tweet exemplifies the contempt Trump and his family have for public servants. They have ZERO concept of why people do jobs for anything other than money, self-promotion, or personal gain. pic.twitter.com/RzHtYFxmgv

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) November 15, 2019

Sorry that belongs on the main US politics thread

xpost, i was thinking first of the immense work that it will take to try to identify and reunite all the children with their parents.

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) won a major endorsement from a key union group Saturday as her presidential campaign works to break out of a months-long plateau in the polls.

Harris received the endorsement of the United Farm Workers (UFW), a California-based group that was established by liberal icons Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta, among others, and has longstanding ties to progressive politics. The union represents more than 10,000 agricultural workers across the West Coast.

“She stood with us on heat protections. She marched with us for overtime protections. We support @KamalaHarris because of her leadership on immigrant justice and her fight for our equal treatment as farm workers. #WeFeedYou,” UFW tweeted in its announcement.

not exactly a huge surprise, considering:

the United Farm Workers exec board voted to endorse @KamalaHarris. The union's co-founder Dolores Huerta endorsed Harris in February and is a campaign co-chair in California https://t.co/2FSdo9s5ri

— Rachel Cohen (@rmc031) November 16, 2019

The left lost that fight, the public ended up being much happier with a public option rather than m4a.

This is just beautifully dumb. The left lost that fight... months before any vote was cast in the Democratic primary, the only way you could actually determine what any part of the public wants.

xp, better than nothing, but it's the board only (not the members), and the UFW is not an influential union in 2019

Xp I mean it’s not looking very good at the moment.

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:57 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

https://i.imgur.com/nt5iai7.gif

NEW #IOWAPOLL:

Buttigieg: 25%
Warren: 16%
Biden: 15%
Sanders: 15%
Klobuchar: 6%
Booker: 3%
Gabbard: 3%
Harris: 3%
Steyer: 3%
Yang: 3%
Bloomberg: 2%
Bennet: 1%

No other candidate polled above 0%. https://t.co/3k1E7HXWAD

— Des Moines Register (@DMRegister) November 17, 2019

goddammit

lmao

don't think he will ultimately win the nomination, but Ilike Buttigieg

km go straight to your room and think about what you've done

no animating for a full month

why though xposts

Not even Thanksgiving

ok so just so i understand, pete's message is "im smart and im a good boy and i will beat trump be he's dumb and a bad boy" right?

yes, he's smart, level, thoughtful, non-dramatic, has good instincts, and would be a good foil to Trump

No that's Sebastian Bach's

I recognize it would have to be paired with significant campaign finance reform bc otherwise having shitloads of money would be an even greater advantage, but otherwise why the hell cant we just have one big national primary that takes place on one day? Most votes wins. I know Iowa isn’t the be all end all now but it does have ridiculously outsized influence. If Pete wins there I think he’s going to remain a viable contender no matter how poorly he does in the south.

national primary would give even more weight to party insiders and whoever has the most name recognition as of day 1. like you don't get obama in 2008 for example.

Considering this week's campaign fuckup re non endorsements I'm gonna need citations on "smart" and "thoughtful" tbh

just an impression, I'm reluctant to follow this closely

My preference is for Harris

I think Obama is right in the NYT article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/barack-obama-2020-dems.html

How the hell is Pete pulling such a big lead in Iowa? Did the other candidates give up?

it's one poll

has Obama re-emerged over the Trump years to do anything but punch left

why would that would be a demerit

*would that be

you punch left, i punch right
we're caught up in the middle of a deep swamp fight
–john rich

why would that would be a demerit

oh I dunno there might be some other ills kicking around worthy of mention

Mayor Pete fans itt. US ilxors are a trip

also US ilxors have a vote

Most us ilxors dont have a vote that will matter