2020 Democratic presidential primary

would be nice if the candidates and voters could disabuse themselves of this notion that these plans are anything more than wishlists/statements of principles, and not actual things that are going to actually happen

― Οὖτις, Friday, November 15, 2019 3:26 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no we can't! no we can't!

Yes, we can! Maybe later, after we've cleaned our plates!

as we all know the yes we can guy was widely successful at implementing his agenda

I think the point is about salesmanship now, not accomplishment later.

isnt implementation of coverage asap then elimination of private plans at 3 years?

It just seems so unlikely that 2020-22 won’t be the high water mark of Democratic power in a potential warren presidency, saying “I’ll do the harder part in 2023 after the midterms that have historically wiped out the incumbent party’s political power” sounds either nonsensical or like cynical bullshit. But it fits with the usual Democratic plans where they’re always in charge in the future and so they don’t need to use all the power they have in the moment.

man i dont think its medicare for all, at all, it’s public option with a some rolled in features over time.

it's also two bills. why not make it one bill?

i'm now nancy pelosi but the parliamentary tactics seem terrible

hi, Nancy!

did this get posted? This is so fucking dumb I'm actually flabbergasted

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/mayor-pete-black-support-announcement.html?fbclid=IwAR3ckaShDss49YReCYEVAC-yO2hcYKc03_WhvIckWTwVWpKJJSzLGYHsKh4

original article: https://theintercept.com/2019/11/15/pete-buttigieg-campaign-black-voters/

fbclid=IwAR3ckaShDss49YReCYEVAC-yO2hcYKc03_WhvIckWTwVWpKJJSzLGYHsKh4

I posted the Pete thing earlier. It's disqualifying on its own tbh

i continue to be amazed at some of the dumb missteps campaigns are making.

re: warren. I know this is a reasonable approach but everyone wanted to kill the other candidates when they proposed what's essentially the same thing.

now that Pete's out front in Iowa it'll be nice seeing everyone switch targets from Biden to him

According to that article Pete even trails Steyer in So Carolina.

Pete now trails Steyer in my own head.

Steyer may be some rich asshole who wants to buy the office but at least he (so far) doesn't seem to be a fucking goddamned idiot in his campaign. Give him time I guess.

lol https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470731-bloomberg-does-not-file-to-run-in-new-hampshire-primary

re: warren. I know this is a reasonable approach but everyone wanted to kill the other candidates when they proposed what's essentially the same thing.

― akm, 15. november 2019 23:32 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This isn't really true from what I was able to see of the polling. The left lost that fight, the public ended up being much happier with a public option rather than m4a. Warren tries to combine the two, which is extremely weird, but Warren's whole shtick is this weird ability to get all the technocrats who love The West Wing into these complicated roadmaps for a communist takeover ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

God I hate that the West Wing has become such an important signifier in the discourse... because I really don’t feel like watching it and now I’m constantly missing something.

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oh we lost the m4a fight already? Cool, good to know.

Yeah I'm not sure that's commonly accepted.

I've also never seen the West Wing so don't get all the references to it either xpost. I assume it's something about white person middle class plastic optimism/nostalgia.

My stance is that any win for public option is a long term win for single payer, the same way Obamacare was the first step towards both of these solutions.

Once citizens see that they are overpaying the premium for a service that is of equal or of lesser quality, a switch is going to happen.

^ perhaps a very West Wing post.

whoever the dem president ends up being will need a focused 'task force' to clean up all the atrocities from the Trump administration. They won't be able to get anything new done otherwise.

That’s the whole Biden argument, and it’s a good one. But there is like 15 other equally important things.

yerac is right. i don't know what kind of public shaming can put all the fash lube back the nazi bottle that has come out since obama, but shit is so oiled up at this point

west wing is just a pmc wet dream where the wielding of power is carried out by very smart, very well-meaning technocrats, who determine policy through debate and ideas, in a non-partisan way, not mediated by powerful interests.

favourite example of the show's ludicrously idealistic bent: in one ep the democratic president played by martin sheen appoints a conservative and a liberal judge to the supreme court at the same time because they're both talented and good faith jurists who will hash out things fairly!!!!!

whoever the dem president ends up being will need a focused 'task force' to clean up all the atrocities from the Trump administration. They won't be able to get anything new done otherwise.

Leaving aside his judicial legacy of course. That’s going to be around for a generation

This is the tweet exemplifies the contempt Trump and his family have for public servants. They have ZERO concept of why people do jobs for anything other than money, self-promotion, or personal gain. pic.twitter.com/RzHtYFxmgv

— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) November 15, 2019

Sorry that belongs on the main US politics thread

xpost, i was thinking first of the immense work that it will take to try to identify and reunite all the children with their parents.

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) won a major endorsement from a key union group Saturday as her presidential campaign works to break out of a months-long plateau in the polls.

Harris received the endorsement of the United Farm Workers (UFW), a California-based group that was established by liberal icons Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta, among others, and has longstanding ties to progressive politics. The union represents more than 10,000 agricultural workers across the West Coast.

“She stood with us on heat protections. She marched with us for overtime protections. We support @KamalaHarris because of her leadership on immigrant justice and her fight for our equal treatment as farm workers. #WeFeedYou,” UFW tweeted in its announcement.

not exactly a huge surprise, considering:

the United Farm Workers exec board voted to endorse @KamalaHarris. The union's co-founder Dolores Huerta endorsed Harris in February and is a campaign co-chair in California https://t.co/2FSdo9s5ri

— Rachel Cohen (@rmc031) November 16, 2019

The left lost that fight, the public ended up being much happier with a public option rather than m4a.

This is just beautifully dumb. The left lost that fight... months before any vote was cast in the Democratic primary, the only way you could actually determine what any part of the public wants.

xp, better than nothing, but it's the board only (not the members), and the UFW is not an influential union in 2019

Xp I mean it’s not looking very good at the moment.

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:57 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s annoying me to see Mayor Pete signs in my Oakland neighborhood

https://i.imgur.com/nt5iai7.gif

NEW #IOWAPOLL:

Buttigieg: 25%
Warren: 16%
Biden: 15%
Sanders: 15%
Klobuchar: 6%
Booker: 3%
Gabbard: 3%
Harris: 3%
Steyer: 3%
Yang: 3%
Bloomberg: 2%
Bennet: 1%

No other candidate polled above 0%. https://t.co/3k1E7HXWAD

— Des Moines Register (@DMRegister) November 17, 2019

goddammit

lmao

don't think he will ultimately win the nomination, but Ilike Buttigieg

km go straight to your room and think about what you've done

no animating for a full month