2020 Democratic presidential primary

"didn't have a dime but i always had a vision" eh

New from me: Pete Buttigieg touted 3 major South Carolina supporters of his Douglass Plan for Black America. They were “alarmed” when they saw it. https://t.co/8zxmNwGcVN

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) November 15, 2019

Deval Patrick implicated in covering up some sexual assault shit. Why is he running again?

Warren backing off M4A.

In 2014 Deval Patrick fired leaders of his state's Sex Offender Registry for trying to force his brother in law to register due to being convicted of rape in California in 1993.

In 2019, that same rapist was sentenced to 6 years for another rape. 1/https://t.co/dPbQ6ElSml

— Michele Dauber (@mldauber) November 14, 2019

vile.

Warren backing off M4A.

― akm, Friday, November 15, 2019 11:15 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

?

https://www.sacbee.com/news/article237402154.html

won't push for it until the third year of her administration.

I think she announced a phase-in

"Elizabeth Warren announced Friday that she won’t immediately push to give every American government-funded health care and instead will work to oversee passage of a sweeping “Medicare for All” program by the end of her third year if elected president — a significant step away from a plan she’s long championed.

The Massachusetts Democratic senator released a health care transition plan that vows to build on existing programs, including the Obama administration’s signature Affordable Care Act, to expand public health insurance during her first 100 days in office. That’s different than sticking fully with a “public option” over a government-run system, which is backed by Warren’s more moderate presidential candidate rivals, including former Vice President Joe Biden.

Warren then says she’ll work with Congress to pass pieces of a universal coverage proposal more gradually, with the whole thing being ready “no later than” her third year in office."

not that I disagree with this approach but this is going to piss a lot of people off.

Anyone think it could take a year?

I’m stressed out enough as it is. I’m not going to start stressing about clueless people who are mad at warren for the sin of releasing a plan of what can be realistically accomplished within 100 days and then realistically figuring that passing something like M4A would take years to accomplish.

It’ll piss some people off. It would also piss some people off if she tried to convince her own supporters that M4A would be in place soon after her election. That would piss me off, for one.

For fuck’s sake, this whole fucking decade

no, but if you tell people in an election season that things are going to take time, they are not going to like it, even if it's the truth. You say you are going to start on it day one. You don't say 'it won't be done for three years'. It's weirdly poor messaging from the campaign.

it's fine if they're trying to appeal to ppl on the basis of "sound, intelligent, thoughtful politics" which is obv warren's brand & a big pt of differentiation from sanders which let's be honest we're only talking about his diehard fans that are going to be apoplectic over this

i will do this thing the GOP will definitely vote against in year 3 = after the midterms = lol never gonna happen

which is fine if you like the other style vote for it tho don't expect anyone else to know wtf you're talking about when you claim "it'll take 3 years to fully implement my plan" (presumably bc we'll need to win more senate seats to have a chance at passing it in 2022) means backing off M4A.

Or it plays into the brand of ‘I’m smart, these populists aren’t’ that has done some heavy lifting for her campaign.

some of the things she wants to do in the first two years are designed to maximize their chances of passing this or any other legislation - like cracking down on lobbying.

i'm sure if there's a miracle and we elect president warren and have 60 senators she'll pass everything right away lol

would be nice if the candidates and voters could disabuse themselves of this notion that these plans are anything more than wishlists/statements of principles, and not actual things that are going to actually happen

The people who are going to hate this has signalled pretty clearly they are going for Bernie and will call her a sellout anyway. This is aimed at Buttigieg voters. And it's pretty smart, the polling is very clear that 1) people want M4A but 2) are afraid of M4A. Slow implementation could work.

would be nice if the candidates and voters could disabuse themselves of this notion that these plans are anything more than wishlists/statements of principles, and not actual things that are going to actually happen

― Οὖτις, Friday, November 15, 2019 3:26 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no we can't! no we can't!

Yes, we can! Maybe later, after we've cleaned our plates!

as we all know the yes we can guy was widely successful at implementing his agenda

I think the point is about salesmanship now, not accomplishment later.

isnt implementation of coverage asap then elimination of private plans at 3 years?

It just seems so unlikely that 2020-22 won’t be the high water mark of Democratic power in a potential warren presidency, saying “I’ll do the harder part in 2023 after the midterms that have historically wiped out the incumbent party’s political power” sounds either nonsensical or like cynical bullshit. But it fits with the usual Democratic plans where they’re always in charge in the future and so they don’t need to use all the power they have in the moment.

man i dont think its medicare for all, at all, it’s public option with a some rolled in features over time.

it's also two bills. why not make it one bill?

i'm now nancy pelosi but the parliamentary tactics seem terrible

hi, Nancy!

did this get posted? This is so fucking dumb I'm actually flabbergasted

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/mayor-pete-black-support-announcement.html?fbclid=IwAR3ckaShDss49YReCYEVAC-yO2hcYKc03_WhvIckWTwVWpKJJSzLGYHsKh4

original article: https://theintercept.com/2019/11/15/pete-buttigieg-campaign-black-voters/

fbclid=IwAR3ckaShDss49YReCYEVAC-yO2hcYKc03_WhvIckWTwVWpKJJSzLGYHsKh4

I posted the Pete thing earlier. It's disqualifying on its own tbh

i continue to be amazed at some of the dumb missteps campaigns are making.

re: warren. I know this is a reasonable approach but everyone wanted to kill the other candidates when they proposed what's essentially the same thing.

now that Pete's out front in Iowa it'll be nice seeing everyone switch targets from Biden to him

According to that article Pete even trails Steyer in So Carolina.

Pete now trails Steyer in my own head.

Steyer may be some rich asshole who wants to buy the office but at least he (so far) doesn't seem to be a fucking goddamned idiot in his campaign. Give him time I guess.

lol https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470731-bloomberg-does-not-file-to-run-in-new-hampshire-primary

re: warren. I know this is a reasonable approach but everyone wanted to kill the other candidates when they proposed what's essentially the same thing.

― akm, 15. november 2019 23:32 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This isn't really true from what I was able to see of the polling. The left lost that fight, the public ended up being much happier with a public option rather than m4a. Warren tries to combine the two, which is extremely weird, but Warren's whole shtick is this weird ability to get all the technocrats who love The West Wing into these complicated roadmaps for a communist takeover ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

God I hate that the West Wing has become such an important signifier in the discourse... because I really don’t feel like watching it and now I’m constantly missing something.

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oh we lost the m4a fight already? Cool, good to know.

Yeah I'm not sure that's commonly accepted.

I've also never seen the West Wing so don't get all the references to it either xpost. I assume it's something about white person middle class plastic optimism/nostalgia.

My stance is that any win for public option is a long term win for single payer, the same way Obamacare was the first step towards both of these solutions.

Once citizens see that they are overpaying the premium for a service that is of equal or of lesser quality, a switch is going to happen.

^ perhaps a very West Wing post.

whoever the dem president ends up being will need a focused 'task force' to clean up all the atrocities from the Trump administration. They won't be able to get anything new done otherwise.