Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

profiles in courage

At least he admits its just class self-interest talking.

"I voted Labour for most of my life despite being totally against any attempt to change the balance of economic power".

I was once on a panel with Corbyn many years ago when the moderator cited some ferociously anti-Semitic invective by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then president of Iran and an overt Holocaust denier. Corbyn was directly in my line of sight and he showed not a flicker of emotion. In responding, he made no mention of these inflammatory remarks but simply carried on with his castigation of the supposed imperialist designs of the United States and its allies on the region.

hard to argue with impeccably sourced and reported evidence like this tbh

Must stop reading handwringing bourgeois entitlement on Twitter for my sanity's sake.

One reason above all, however, makes a Labour vote impossible for me. Perhaps I can give a little personal background. I was once on a panel with Corbyn many years ago when the moderator cited some ferociously anti-Semitic invective by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then president of Iran and an overt Holocaust denier. Corbyn was directly in my line of sight and he showed not a flicker of emotion. In responding, he made no mention of these inflammatory remarks but simply carried on with his castigation of the supposed imperialist designs of the United States and its allies on the region. I realised at that moment that Corbyn lacked the visceral revulsion for anti-Semitism that he ought to possess. I attributed it to an incomprehensible lack of imagination.

It's not even worth it tbf but this is such bs. It also completely contradicts his "I voted Labour up until 2017 but CANT ANYMORE NOW", as this cold, harsh emotionless event happened "many years ago".

Oliver Kamm phils quite cross about voting for Labour, is it?

Under Jeremy Corbyn’s titular leadership

leftover sentence fragment from draft of corbyn bimbofication erotica

oily kumm fuck off challenge

Honest to god I get less stressed about gammony mates posting "Corbyn Loves the RA" gifs than I do about these fucking weasels explaining why they'd do anything for social democracy but they won't do that.

If you guys really insist on dredging up every piece of effluent that this sewer throws up then by all means continue to do so but why bother when this exists?

sad to hear corbyn has nationalised your mum

— Notorious HRT (@The__Biscuit) November 15, 2019

*nods sagely* good points, chris

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJaQTYuXkAI2s4N?format=jpg&name=medium

lol Trump is visiting the week before the election

― gyac, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:44 (fifty-seven minutes ago) link

lmao, for real? Sometimes he makes it hard to hate him as much as one should

The NATO Summit takes place in London in the first week of December. It's an absolute clusterfuck waiting to happen for numerous reasons.

perfect timing 👌🏻

Do you think in Chris Leslie's more lucid moments it occurs to him that it is exactly that whole 'you can't expect too much from us' approach that installed Corbyn in the first place and kept him there?

no

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Worst take of the day

In all seriousness, this makes a mockery of legitimate, life-dependent human rights, like, I don't know, the freedom of religion. But I guess Labour are too far gone on that one. https://t.co/Oc53WWgrqv

— Will Tanner (@Will_Tanner) November 15, 2019

While I don't really want this thread to become like the USpol threads (impotently mocking the tweets of our enemies for 900 posts a week), there is some god-tier shithead content coming out today

I mean this thread has at least three big advantages over the US politics threads I can think of...

And yeah, point taken, but it remains completely insane. I don’t think I’ll ever get used to it.

MENA is where the real headz hang out

just been youtubing the leadership debate from 2015 where Corbz rinses Cooper in a discussion on PFI's/quantitative easing, where she gets increasingly angry but doesn't manage to land one blow on him and all her pro PFI/austerity lite arguments have aged so badly, her fiscal credibility is way to the right of the current tories and Corbz is sounding just about where he is now.

I love cunt chicken season. feel like the manifesto is going to include some proper piss boilers and I am here for it

Successful domination of the news cycle for an entire day though. They should drop one policy a day for the rest of the campaign.

I feel like the manifesto is going to be packed full of goodies, like an excellent advent calendar

Are the Tories even going to attempt their own one this time?

They’re holding on til December

submarine strategy. presumably think polling is so good why ruin it by attracting scrutiny. seems dumb to me - letting labour do all the running

december 13 iirc xp

especially when voters are so volatile these days

I’m getting annoyed with some of my fellow journalists saying it’s a fact Corbyn is an antisemite rather than, you know, an opinion they hold about him.

Any British Jews itt?

My sister-in-law is Jewish and she thinks Corbyn is an anti-Semite and, on Facebook, was bemoaning the fact that she has no-one to vote for. One of her friends said he was holding his nose and voting Tory and got pelters for it.

How would you (not necessarily you, Tom) respond to this piece?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/09/jews-brexit-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn

To be clear, I’m talking about journos who aren’t Jewish, who never had anything to say about the subject until a politician they already disliked or considered ‘unelectable’ became prominent.

I responded to the piece back when it was published by saying if Jonathan Freedland saw Corbyn walking on water, the headline would be LABOUR LEADER CAN’T SWIM.

the piece was posted less than 24 hours after freedland had himself done a racism.

this is a good piece on the topic:
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/11/corbyn-and-antisemitism.html?m=1

a jewish centre-left friend of mine loathes corbyn for his anti-semitism.

xxp comparisons with disbelief in the miracles of Jesus perhaps unsuitable in this instance lol

But it's not just about Jonathan Freedland. He summarizes the views of an important segment of the Jewish community, including many who are by no means hostile to Corbyn's policies.

well, shit, guess they're gonna vote against the policies they like then

was going to post that. my personal feeling is that he’s made some ill-judged moves usually on some sort of Palestine vector, which is a problematic space on the left and includes some nasty anti-semitic fellow travellers, but has himself supported religious communities of all sorts including Jewish communities and their interests.

xp

pom also correct - using my friend as an example to generalise from, freedland’s view is representative of a large segment of jewish people.

My sister-in-law would definitely vote Labour but for Corbyn, she's anti-Independence so voting SNP is a problem, but I reckon that's what she'll end up doing. Her constituency is Tory just now.

The footage of the 'British sense of humour' speech still makes me deeply uncomfortable, I'm not convinced he personally is antisemitic but he has definitely been guilty of unthinkingly repeating antisemitic tropes and playing to an antisemitic crowd. Whether there's any difference there really I don't know, I wouldn't blame any Jewish person for feeling trepidation at the very least and it's a bad look for anyone to be dismissing or belittling that. It's also not the only example of antisemitism we've seen from Labour (Michael Howard as a pig, anyone) and I have no time for non-Jews who only decide antisemitism is bad when it suits them politically.

At the same time it's awful to see the concerns of the black British community, who have seen friends and relatives literally involuntarily repatriated, overlooked in these 'can't put Corbyn into Number 10' pieces. Like it or not it's Corbyn or Johnson and British Jewish people are not the only minority with reasons to feel fearful right now.

I mean Tory MEPs literally voted in support of Viktor Orban but apparently there's only one party with an antisemitism problem.

the tories are also rabidly anti-muslim as a party and there's way less ink-spilled regarding that

that british sense of humour thing was bad on many levels.

yes - that is one of the most frustrating parts of this discussion. the focus on tory party islamophobia elides their own very real issues with antisemitism. the simon wren-lewis article is really good. definitely accept the party has a problem & there’s no doubt that JC’s ascendancy has let fringe elements (suppressed by new labour hegemony) resurface

focus in massive inverted commas there