THE IRISHMAN, A Martin Scorsese Picture with de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, Keitel

well "Still" sets the tone of a movie that could be called The Dead. I don't think he's going for a "Be My Baby" thing there, but pure irony/grimness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j1T5xjwGJQ

that was *kinda* funny the first time...

Encore du champagne.

Enchanté to you too!

I don't remember the exact beginning of the film, but I thought "In the Still of the Nite" was used to draw you into the film at a sensory/sensuous level. It's a great song. But it went right past me and I thought, "Scorsese has finally worn out that nerve ending for me." I've read lots of people say that that happened with them with Goodfellas, that the music was just layered on mechanically, but I love how pop music was used there. This is the film where that feeling caught up with me. Even Casino had a few great musical bits.

used "Sleep Walk" in Casino too

seeing this tomorrow

Me too

I'm at the 3:30 matinee showing in Dallas, and I am one of 8 people in the theater?!

it's only showing at one other place! (the theater where Oswald was nabbed)

is this weird or not? I thought it'd packed

it's all sold out here today (and i neglected to try and buy tickets til last night). there may be some at the door, so i might try for that, anything for this last hurrah of the boomer gangster epic

saw this today and liked it. and aside from needing to pee for the last 60 minutes or so, didn’t think the 210 minutes felt like it at all

some half-baked thoughts

pesci was really good - as clemenza says, playing “not joe pesci”. he was fresh as an even-keeled, genial boss, and he and pacino both looked great in their younger scenes. pacino is perfectly cast as hoffa

had some issues with de niro, partly because I found it hard to buy him as a thirty-something tough guy considering he moved like he was in his seventies or eighties, which he is. thought his character really became interesting in the final third when he was caught between jimmy and russell, but before that he seemed pretty nondescript. also didn’t feel like the subplot with the daughter really worked that well and wished there were a little more focus on his family and the female characters in general.

the music I thought was great

best scene and line was probably keitel’s “I do.” keitel didn’t have a huge part but I thought he did a lot with the part

thought this was a snore

rip, so did J.Ro

https://letterboxd.com/jrosenbaum2002/film/the-irishman-2019/

I disagree.

entering SPOILER TERRITORY....

The Brandt book adds a lot more emphasis to the mob-hit-JFK angle, with Sheeran delivering rifles headed for Texas in fall '63, and Hoffa telling Sheeran that Bufalino's words (to Hoffa) at the Philly tribute dinner were "Some people think you are not showing enough appreciation for Dallas." I suspect Scorsese didn't want the film to come off like JFK II.

Hell I figured it was his backhanded compliment to Stone the entire time. (Not per se a complaint but anyway.)

Anyway, my theater four blocks away was screening it a few times so figured I'd go for it. Felt like its length but I didn't feel the need for any sort of break -- maybe a bit restless in the final hour at points. Having just seen the full-on version of Once Upon a Time in America a couple of months ago in the same spot, that really does feel like a comparison point in ways, going big on the scope of time and overall length at least, as well as stuck with regrets and reflexive burnout at the end of it all. (And, well, De Niro but anyway.) The longueurs towards the end once the road trip's purpose is established do work, I think; he can still do quotidian better than most. CGI I thought about briefly at the very start when we get young De Niro/Pesci but after that I just let it go.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-irishman-movie-review-2019

liked zoller seitz’s take, and it’s making me sit with de niro’s performance and appreciate it a little more

Yeah, I liked his take too.

that is a good review

I thought this thread has been waaay too rough on RdN, didn't know he still had this in him.

Agree with Morbs. Saw this yesterday and besides finding it one of the best book-to-screen adaptations I've seen I thought DeNiro really shone. Thought Pacino's Hoffa was endearing as well and their bromance - I mean, this whole thing can be seen as a bromantic triangle gone wrong, no? - a major part of the film's beating heart. Hence the little bit of the "Touchez pas au grisbi" theme playing early on and echoed in the score ( which was pleasingly minimalistic ) throughout. Lots to digest, still, but what a great last few years from Scorsese thus far. Looking forward to rewatching before it disappears from the big screen in my area.

Yeah, criminals can be endearing in their way.

this is by far Marty's least "endearing" mob film imho

Was referring to Pacino's Hoffa as endearing and not the film as a whole, capice?

he's kind of a megalomaniacal creep who likes kids and ice cream

The last half hour is one of the few recent attempts in American film to reckon with extreme old age.

oldsters gonna old
lol jk i thought this was great
but yeah, the ultimate old man movie

Speaking of old man swag

https://www.gq.com/story/al-pacino-and-robert-deniro-godfathers-of-the-year-2019

Orlando finally got this a week early. Going tomorrow.

Sadly at a dine in theatre so things like soda refills probably won't happen. And i will need the caffeine.

Is there any intermission in this thing

Nope. And I don't think it would work with one. But it moves fast, it didn't feel like three and a half hours at all.

Saw this tonight and need to sit with it for a bit, but I agree with the consensus that the 2nd half is 10x more interesting than the first, which could have lost 30min or more imho. I get that it’s necessary to give dramatic heft to the 2nd half and the pointlessness of Frank’s life in retrospect and etc, but still there comes a point where piling on these endless quotidian scenes of which wiseguy offended which other wiseguy becomes self defeating. Keitel & Joey Gallo could each have been fully excised with no loss to the film imo.

Also thought Paquin towers over the movie, definitely not ‘misused’. Pacino on the other hand hilariously random in his decisions of when to deploy the PA accent.

Also pretty remarkable that the movie released as The Irishman goes out of its way twice to tell you that it’s actually titled “I Hear You Paint Houses”?

Rewatched yesterday. Loved the Hoffa/ Sheeran scenes even more. Editing is fantastic in general though I agree there's lots of fat that could've left the first half. And the guy who played Bobby Kennedy...did they even try to cast someone with a slight resemblance lol?
Bobby Canavale still grates, btw.

Didn't make it to the movie due to traffic. Bleh

ironic - this might be the definitive 'how much extra time should you account for traffic' film

Hahaha

Pacino on the other hand hilariously random in his decisions of when to deploy the PA accent.

Hoffa was born in Indiana and moved to Detroit at age 11, where he remained for life (except for prison). Still, Rust Belt.

yeah i realized after i posted that i think i was subconsciously thinking of the joe paterno movie from last year, ha.

His dipping in & out of the accent was so big that I almost want to go back and take a look at those scenes again, i wonder if it was a choice that went over my head, like he turns on his folksy accent at different times to schmooze or manipulate.

OEO mostly otm on all those posts (though I still think piquing was wasted)

Er. Paquin, rather.

I thought the kid who played the daughter as a kid was about as good as Paquin. Both were really good, mind you, but if a kid can do what the role asks for, then why not get an unknown actress who looks more like the kid to do it later on?

food in this film, ranked

Okay, I shat the bed on this one, so here's an amended list with the footstuffs I missed the first go (but not the other ones I probably forgot) https://t.co/gWBBaFH89a pic.twitter.com/oupxXGmQRV

— Matt Prigge (@mattprigge) November 25, 2019

LOL thats great

the prison ice cream sundae is a tough one for me bc one the one hand it was probably prepared with much more time and care than yr typical sundae on the outside so i thought maybe it shld rank higher, but on the other hand the dude also might have spit in it or something so i geuss its a wash

i forget the details in the book re how Hoffa got the perk of prison ice cream, if there were any

this is a fun, lightly dishy, not particularly illuminating read.
https://www.gq.com/story/al-pacino-and-robert-deniro-godfathers-of-the-year-2019

Everyone mentions how little steven is in this but i was caught completely unprepared for the sudden surprise appearance of Action Bronson, which caught me v off guard

otoh, macho dimwits in my theater were cheering and rolling in the aisles laughing at all of the beatdowns and moldy mob jokes. "The only way three people can keep a secret - is if two of them are dead!"got huuuge bellylaughs. When HOffa's fate became clear after the testimonial dinner they laughed at almost every Pacino line, I guess bc they found it hilarious that he didnt know he was going to get murdered, which was kind of depressing to be around.

I sat next to a very hyped (coked?) up Dutch hipster - slicked back hair and pointy shoes, chewing gum and looking around before the film began like he was in character for a bit part in, you guessed it, a mob film - and some old ladies on my first viewing. Hipster and his buddy LOVED the "Leave it like ya left Berlin" line and any violent scenes while the old ladies very audibly gasped "Oooh!" throughout the entire film anytime said violence happened. Going to the movies in 2019, man...

can someone explain why the film appears on Netflix starting today, and is still in a few dozen theaters? I thought there was going to be no overlap, contractually.

also Anna seems pleased with the film and Marty

Paquin on why Scorsese chose her: https://t.co/Hy6nikReLj pic.twitter.com/kid1LjyIVa

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) November 27, 2019

Gonna give Bo Dietl prime real estate in end-of-year movie polls pic.twitter.com/ykKFJWymAq

— Matt Prigge (@mattprigge) November 27, 2019