2020 Democratic presidential primary

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xp

Agree with what dll said. I also agree with crut that the WWE style divisive rhetoric—“republican voters are monsters!”—is a tactic that can only benefit the right wing. It also obscures the reality. Sanders is running to fix problems that both republicans and democrats had a hand in creating. Red america vs blue america is a cartoon

Buttigieg said “Republicans with a conscience” and then Magary contorted that into “white supremacists” so I think we’re talking past each other

not sure targeting "nonvoters" is a great strategy tbh

nah it's excellent

it is a great strategy if they end up voting!

no flies on crut

yeah it's specifically targeting the group where the thing they most have in common in a tradition of not voting there's gotta be easier votes to pick off!

There’s no need for me to make a case against Pete Buttigieg because that craven asshole can’t be bothered to make one for himself.

and yet you wrote so many paragraphs

well obviously there are a lot of people disillusioned with the political process whom Bernie has given a shred of hope - I know some folks who will only vote if he’s the nom

Did anyone ever figure out how many Democrats didn't vote at all in 2016 due to Hillary?

the doc casino and dlh posts itt are a thousand times more thoughtful than the boneheaded magary piece that generated this discussion imo

i didn't read it i just leapt out of bed and went straight to posting. counting my $200 rn

i recommend never reading anything tbh

instead, you should take a non-voter to vote.

tl;dv

Here's a different take on "maybe partisanship is good"

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/rethinking-polarization

i recommend never reading anything tbh

― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, November 10, 2019 8:17 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

b-b-but how could I read ILX?

just jump straight to Add a Post my man

If Bloomberg was the nominee, I'd vote for him without hesitation. At least he has been vocal about the climate crisis, which dwarfs all other issues on the table in impacts. But I don't see him drawing any habitual non-voters to the polls, or quashing the third-party Left that cost the election in 2000 and 2016.

Sanpaku not letting us down with the truly bizarre takes

2/3 sentences are fine

Sanpaku's take actually makes a lot of sense! If the climate is your top issue, you could do worse than Bloomberg.

Bloomberg isn't the worst of the candidates on offer. I think Warren is the best candidate at present for the general, but would gladly vote for Sanders or Booker. And begrudgingly vote for Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, Klobuchar or Steyer. As far as I'm concerned, Bloomberg fits amongst this latter group. Hell, I'd vote for Bill Weld if that was the only only option to remove the cancer of Trump.

I for real want to relive the old, white stoop sitters very vocal every day meltdown about Bloomberg's soda tax. I walked my dog like 4 times a day during this era and It was willie wonka level pure imagination.

silby: I've been an Economist reader for two decades. I often don't agree with its editorial content. Bloomberg is pretty much an ideal candidate for the few hundred thousand readers that think rational actors with appropriate incentives can solve societal problems within a free-market framework, which is essentially that publication's editorial stance. In the UK, climate change isn't up for political debate, largely thanks to Thatcher.

That stance obviously has issues in an era of irrational actors and voters, who mostly are indifferent to future consequences.

Bloomberg seems an okay person, but one who is motivated to enter the race mostly because he opposes the wealth taxes of the Democratic frontrunners. I've read my Walter Scheidel and Peter Turchin, so understand that unless the US does something about its rising inequality, there will be violent revolution. It's not a time for the Bloombergs of the world.

Sanpaku I love that you’re a Booker fan, it is vmic

Was just reminded this morning that the Dean Scream happened in January '04 so I guess there's still time for a viable dem candidacy to be derailed for completely inconsequential reasons.

Dean Scream also happened on the night he came in a distant 3rd in Iowa after having polled in 1st there for most of a year, so the candidacy was already kind of derailing

In the UK, climate change isn't up for political debate, largely thanks to Thatcher.

i... what?

The Conservatives under Thatcher accepted that anthropogenic climate was a problem in the late 80s, and she was the most prominent national leader calling for an international climate treaty at the time. I haven't seen the broad science denial in British neoliberal publications that is so common in the US and Australia. I'm sure the Murdoch publications are just as bad, but don't look at them.

Any time you post about something I know a bit about I am reminded to treat everything else you say with ... caution.

It continues to amuse me that people attribute Dean's demise to the scream and not to the fact that extremely online support grossly inflated people's expectations of his performance.

(basically President Keyes OTM)

xp: Do you object to characterizing Thatcher as the most forward national leader on climate of the late 80s? Or that The Economist has been pushing a carbon tax since 1989?

Sanders wrote an op-ed for Jewish Currents on combating anti-Semitism:

I have a connection to Israel going back many years. In 1963, I lived on a kibbutz near Haifa. It was there that I saw and experienced for myself many of the progressive values upon which Israel was founded. I think it is very important for everyone, but particularly for progressives, to acknowledge the enormous achievement of establishing a democratic homeland for the Jewish people after centuries of displacement and persecution.

We must also be honest about this: The founding of Israel is understood by another people in the land of Palestine as the cause of their painful displacement. And just as Palestinians should recognize the just claims of Israeli Jews, supporters of Israel must understand why Palestinians view Israel’s creation as they do. Acknowledging these realities does not “delegitimize” Israel any more than acknowledging the sober facts of America’s own founding delegitimizes the United States. It is a necessary step of truth and reconciliation in order to address the inequalities that continue to exist in our respective societies.

https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-fight-antisemitism/

link isn't working atm but that particular excerpt sounds exactly like a speech he gave to j-street in 2017

https://www.jta.org/2017/02/27/politics/bernie-sanders-at-j-street-one-can-be-pro-israel-and-rap-its-government

don't think it's possible to support both israel and rap actually

what about Matisyahu

what about him?

got curious about what he was up to these days:

#GenderReveal #NewVideo #MatisyahuLive pic.twitter.com/Rvbiz54hcR

— Matisyahu (@matisyahu) November 5, 2019

kinda feel like gender reveal parties are a top 1000 worst thing in the world

as is matisyahu

It continues to amuse me that people attribute Dean's demise to the scream and not to the fact that extremely online support grossly inflated people's expectations of his performance.

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, November 11, 2019 10:23 AM bookmarkflaglink

The scream lost my support...for it was a 'false metal' scream

Maureen Dowd on Trump and Bloomberg made my eyes bleed and my brain shrivel.

gamechanger: Don Blankenship is running for president, via the Constitution Party

i t ' s h a p p e n i n g https://t.co/j4YoZ89YOG pic.twitter.com/62ZJdn8QHs

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) November 11, 2019

Sure that isn't Michael Showalter

The coldness toward Biden and Bloomberg here (which I share) is interesting. There must be a kind of Democrat who wants guys like this, but yet they do command some support.

It's like the old Pauline Kael thing: I don't know anyone who wants this sort of candidate, but they apparently exist. Because these candidates keep appearing.

Welcome to the bubble y'all

I know lots of mods who like this.

These people also have "Truth lies somewhere in the middle" and "If anything can go well, it will" bumper stickers