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diskutil mount //WORKGROUP;music@LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

its all this workgroup business, that seems to be confusing things, well, confusing me

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:26 (twenty years ago)

See, I'd expect you to have to pass the workgroup/username information as a separate option.

I take it that the hostname is "LACIE", the workgroup/domain is "WORKGROUP" and the username is "music". In that case, if we were talking the Linux version of mount, the command would be:

mount -t smbfs -o "username=WORKGROUP/music" //LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

well, nearly!

i try this

$ mount -t smbfs //LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

it asks me for a password, which i give, then it gives me

mount_smbfs: mount error: /Volumes/MUSIC: syserr = Resource busy

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:46 (twenty years ago)

also, it asks me for a password, but not a username, and there are multiple usernames for this drive

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Ah.

Try putting -o "username=[...]" after the -t smbfs option.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:58 (twenty years ago)

no, i tried that, doesnt like it

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

option not supported

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

Bah.

Does 'man mount' have a section for smb/cifs-specific options? Is there a separate 'smbmount' command with its own manual page?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:09 (twenty years ago)

it...works!

i have to make the directory first, it seems. is this really right?

so, it goes

mkdir /Volumes/MUSIC

mount -t smbfs //LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

and it mounts:)

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:42 (twenty years ago)

i have to make the directory first, it seems. is this really right?

Yes. You only have to do it once, of course.

If you put files in the directory when the remote disk isn't mounted, they will be inaccessible when it is.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:51 (twenty years ago)

oh i see, the drive was never there in the first place!

though, how come, i didnt need to do this for the archos mp3 player?

and, why did i have to use diskutil mount for the archos, and just plain ol' mount for the lacie?

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

The mp3 player presents itself to the system as a type of disk. The lacie box doesn't - it is visible as a computer with shared folders.

I don't know why one needs diskutil, but it's probably because of the access permissions on the device node (the "/dev/disk1s1" file)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

Also if you want a command with a semi colon in it to execute you have to escape or quote it.

I don't know why one needs diskutil, but it's probably because of the access permissions on the device node (the "/dev/disk1s1" file)

BECUZ OS X DOESN'T USE FSTAB

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

That's irrelevant.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

(mount doesn't use fstab at all anyway if you specify both the device and mountpoint, so neither of those commands would face fstab-related issues.)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Hey all,

I'm using Sarah's laptop to post this as I seem to have a pretty sever problem with mine. When I boot up, the internet works for a couple of minutes at a snail's pace before crunching to a halt. The wireless connection seems fine; Sarah's PC works okay, and even mine says the connection is excellent. So why are AIM, firefox, MSN and IE all having the same problem? Literally after a minute or two, they just don't connect any more.

The troubleshooting sections are useless because, as far as I know, no settings or whatever have been changed. My only possible thought is hat I knocked the (closed) laptop off the table onto the carpet a couple of days ago, though it *has* worked fine since then.

So what could be wrong with these browsers, crawling for a very short while before dying? Help desperately sought!

Mark C on sgs's machine (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Gah. It's not even working for a short while now. I hate this - it's so much more evil when you can't put your finger on the problem.

Mark gain (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

maybe your computer has been hijacked and all the bandwidth is being used for nefarious purposes?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Maybe... but my virus/spyware thingy should be able to tell, right? And the connection doesn't show lots of packets being sent or received - just static, unmoving nothingness.

sgs (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

If you open up task manager (CTRL-SHIFT-ESC) and look at the networking tab, you'll see what activity is going on. Is the CPU going crazy too? Is it just internet access that's slow or is everything else slow too?

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Hey Keith! No, nothing is going mental.

Hmm - I have accessed a neighbour's unsecured wireless network and IT WORKS. That's interesting. I am going to try going back to mine...

Mark (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Hi Mark,

What a kind neighbour. To be honest, your problem sounds like mine, but what's puzzling is that your computer works. What model is the wireless router and what's the ISP? That's my problem (one of them; it's not clear which).

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

okay, now that one has disconnected (but it's strength is low so...) and I am reconnected to mine, but again, no actual internet and no action at all in that "networking" tab in the task manager.

Oh god, I don't know the wireless router model - it's in the bedroom and Sarah is asleep. However, as you can tell this (i.e. her) PC works just fine, so I'm not sure it can be the router's or the ISP's fault!

Mark (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's certainly very odd. Can't think of anything else obvious off the top of my head, but I'll give it some thought. Maybe Deano will have an idea.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Every now and again a few bytes of internet wil get through, which is even weirder. The whole thing seems screwed!

I also notice Sarah's PC, while working okay, isn't exactly fast tonight. Could there be any connection?

Mark (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

(mount doesn't use fstab at all anyway if you specify both the device and mountpoint, so neither of those commands would face fstab-related issues.)

The full set of options used by an invocation of mount is determined by
first extracting the options for the file system from the fstab table,
then applying any options specified by the -o argument, and finally
applying a -r or -w option, when present.

LOL PWNED (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, apple just wanted to put all the disk/volume management shit in a single command i wager

LOL PWNED (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Could be, but I still think it's likely to be because of the device node permissions too.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 7 April 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)

(deano doesn't do wireless and / or broadband, he is a wired, dialup kinda guy. or any versions of windows past 98 for that matter. he is firmly stuck in the mid 90s.)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 7 April 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

BECUZ OS X DOESN'T USE FSTAB

oh! i was just coming to ask about this! so, instead of using fstab to automount, how should i do it?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 7 April 2006 12:35 (twenty years ago)

oh for fucks sake, it wont let me switch to root, because it doesnt like my password.

sudo bash.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

charlton I'm sure macosxhints.com has some info. You can also put shortcuts to network volumes in startup items...

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Still confused Mark, but if the PC's exhibiting problems, then the router/ISP thing might have something to do with it. I have a Netgear DG834GT that UK Online forced me to buy and certainly it or them is my problem. They haven't replied to my email of a week ago yet. It does exhibit similar symptoms to you, but on both my machines equally.

Never mind Deano: I'll bear that in mind if I have any X.25 issues in future. In the mid '90s weren't you firmly rooted in the mid '80s?

KeefW (kmw), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Keith - your posts were like manna in my hour of need last night. I'll try it out again this evening and if iut's still screwed I'll try reinstalling, rebooting, just turning shit on and off and seeing what happens.

Down in London soon, by any chance?

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm having similar probs with my WinME desktop (all right, stop laughing) connecting to my Wanadoo Livebox (I said ENOUGH!) with a the little Belkin 802.11g USB thing I bought a few months back.

Sony VAIO WinXP laptop happily communicates with the Livebox using its internal WLAN (no need for the supplied Wanadoo USB dongle) and the desktop did have broadband when wired into the Livebox with the supplied ethernet cable. But now the desktop is upstairs (where it will stay) and wireless connection for both is required.

Desktop plus Belkin adaptor worked OK into the next-door neighbour's unsecured network at the old house, so I know it works in principle. Livebox shows up in the AP list but when I attempt to set up a profile with the 128-bit WEP key and then connect to it just sort of sits there, with a little red cross next to it.

Might go back to trying the Wanadoo USB dongle with the desktop (which didn't work before)...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Thim sent me a text the other week asking about visits - up here and down there, but then the bugger didn't reply to my answer! I will need to "rattle his cage". I'll actually be at ATP this year for a friend's thirtieth so I might be in London for one night only or something like that... I'll certainly let people know.

128 bit key eh Mike? You must have something worth stealing!

KeefW (kmw), Friday, 7 April 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

my dell inspiron 6000 has been having some wireless issues. the speed has slowed to the point that i can't even send anything via ysi anymore, it takes forever and eventually just goes to the ol "cannot find server" page. interestingly, my download rate doesn't seem to have slowed much if at all.

and i've been trying to send an MP3 file for the past ten minute via yahoo, it's still trying to attach it...

my wireless speed is 11.0 Mbps

gear (gear), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

128 bit key eh Mike? You must have something worth stealing!

What's more I now know the 26-character hex string off by heart as I've typed it in so many times...

HOWEVER, as this post verifies, it's now working. I gave up on the Belkin adapter (I'll sell it on eBay or something) and gave the Inventel adapter that came with the Livebox another go. No good at first until I manually reinstalled the drivers for it off the CD-ROM; still no good until I uninstalled all the Belkin crap and rebooted. Now all is well and we have broadband upstairs and down...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 7 April 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

just had a disk die on me, oh noes. luckily it was 8G of random linux distro scratch disk and not anything important (i hope). am off to spend the rest of the weekend backing things up... if anyone else has samsung drives from, er, the previous century i suggest you do the same 8)

(yes keith, i will be backing things up to floppies, 8" floppies)

> my wireless speed is 11.0 Mbps

48,000 here.

koogs (koogs), Saturday, 8 April 2006 13:42 (twenty years ago)

(oh, the annoying thing is that two weeks ago i went and bought a hard disk cradle from maplins so i could finally install disk #3 in the other box. now i have one spare...)

koogs (koogs), Saturday, 8 April 2006 13:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm having similar probs with my WinME desktop (all right, stop laughing) connecting to my Wanadoo Livebox (I said ENOUGH!) with a the little Belkin 802.11g USB thing I bought a few months back.

Does this computer have USB2.0 or 1.0 slots, or a mix of both, or something?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Andy... Andy... Deano... 8" floppies are a spot new aren't they? They're in the space shuttle. I'd hoped you'd have gone for the classic S/370 reel-to-reel tape system; the type I'm having amazing difficulty locating a picture of, despite their ubiquity in the background of '70s films.

It should fit into one of these: http://www.corestore.org/370168-1.jpg

Keith Emerson's very own computer. From the days when IBM could teach Apple a thing or two about 2001-style aesthetics, although Apple didn't exist I suppose.

KeefW (kmw), Saturday, 8 April 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

About five years back, the analytical department at the Royal Museum in Edinburgh still had lots of 8" floppies kicking around too; but nothing to read them on that still worked.

I'd hoped you'd have gone for the classic S/370 reel-to-reel tape system

Here's an even older one, from an IBM 705:

http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/images/1950b.jpg

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 8 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i do have two 8" floppies at home but have never seen a drive that'll read them (i think they are 370K or something). we did have a open-reel tape reader and those 5-platter 250M 12" diameter disk drives though, used them all the time. never seen a core store either but could still draw you a diagram of how they work... (http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/016.html)

new question, how do i write a profanity filter? i need to check a stream of words against a lexicon of rudity but how do i do it so as not to annoy the good people of scunthorpe by blocking references to their no-doubt lovely town? (um, have a whitelist and a blacklist, check the incoming message a word at a time against both, full word check against whitelist, accept if matches, substring search all the rude words in the current text word, reject if matches?) how do i stop people f u c k i n g about with spaces? or using pretty average words to describe rude things (ie 'your mother blows goats')? interesting. (java btw, not my choice)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:22 (twenty years ago)

I dunno how you'd go about writing a good one, without spending a significant amount of time on it. Noticing fucking around with spaces is easy enough I guess, with regular expressions, but phraseology is probably very tricky and would either need a huge amount of time programming well-known rude phrases, or a big list of rude words and training with a Hopfield net. Could be an interesting few weeks. You'd probably root out most of it with a fairly simple Regex matching thing, though.

If it were me, I'd not be wanting to write this, but buy one in. Though, I've just had a look on the usual places and can't find one off hand, at least not one that's not tightly-bound to something else (message board software, typically). What bad design.

KeefW (kmw), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

not to annoy the good people of scunthorpe by blocking references to their no-doubt lovely town?

I can tell you've never been ;-)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

it'll end up being as specced above with a whitelist and a blacklist without any kind of semantic checking. as a final test i might remove all the non-alphabetics and check it again for rudeness, that'll be enough. (have just got test article to use, 'who the f*ck are the art1c m0nkeys' complete with made up p3t3 d0h3r7y quotes. somebody had fun... ('mutha' and 'fuckin' is the extent of their cunning. oh, and 'Shitake', nothing the current design won't handle)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Tracer gave me some good advice on another thread, but has anyone had any experience with a whirring clicking unhappy sound, frequent freezings, and difficulty turning off and back on--after freezings? Using a Mac powerbook here. Problems seem most acute when using iTunes (I've been on the internet for about an hour and it hasn't froze--which is good for the past couple of days.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

my unprofessional diagnosis is that it's fucked, and you should take it to the nearest repair shop quick-smart.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Mary you should see how much space you have free on your hard drive, too. If it's less than 10% free, that is almost certainly your problem.

Also, how much RAM do you have?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)


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