Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

I remember someone on the 2010 edition of this thread arguing in favour of the coalition but I don't they if they stuck around very long.

I've met a couple in the past, but the 2019 incarnation is a more elusive breed.

I know a couple of people who were (pre-2010) very pro LD, to the point of being doorstepping activists, because they were soooo angry abt the iraq war and nu-lab home office illberalism, since (under c.kennedy) the LDs had a p strong game against both, at least verbally. they were suspicious of the cleggies and the orange-book turn but felt the body of the party would act as a brake on the worst impulses. they were incandescently angry abt the coalition and have been fairly robustly pro-corbyn since this became an option.

I would guess that maybe 60% or more of my school peers are currently Lib Dems

...so in summary, if you want to meet Lib Dems, hang out with urbanite poshos

I mean I don't hang out with them unless I'm playing cricket with them, don't @ moi

I think the only LD I know I know is the local high profile pothole pointer and he's

Well, he's not cool

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But this is a decade ago, and incarnations later. Where are they all?

And the growing ranks of 'politically homeless', the Linekers. If theLib Dems aren't picking these guys up it's not good for them. Can only presume it's DCI Swinson herself

There's quite a lot of LD sentiment on the decidedly not-posh football forum I frequent too. Generally all adults-in-room types who love reason and science. I think they're a loud minority

The Linekers, exactly

A few queer tories, and a couple who have remained steadfast in their commitment to liberalism despite being "beans on toast or we can't pay our rent" poor at the start of the decade.

Jo Swindon says there'll be extra money for mental health care if she's in government and tbf a lot of people would probably think they were experiencing psychotic delusions if she was

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But Lineker isn't a Lib Dem? He's a 'politically homeless'

Or is that more of a blue tick thing?

I know several LDs, all of whom are anti-Corbyn to a Dan Hodges extent. I also know some Tories who are considering voting LD, but not sure how certain that sentiment is.

I think the only LD I know I know is the local high profile pothole pointer

they've moved on from potholes fyi

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— Huw Lemmey (@huwlemmey) November 6, 2019

There's quite a lot of LD sentiment on the decidedly not-posh football forum I frequent too. Generally all adults-in-room types who love reason and science. I think they're a loud minority

― imago, 6. november 2019 15:11 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Question from afar: Do you know how they have reacted to all these... 'small print' statements about which candidate could win where, which might not always technically be complete lies and fabrications, but which definitely hasn't seemed that scientific and reasonable...

I have this friend who once had impure thoughts about Jo Swinson, but he immediately made amends by going to confession and kneeling on rice in the cellar wearing a hairshirt for 6 hours.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIr851iWkAE0oSz?format=jpg&name=large sorry if this has been posted upthread but this is coming across like they’re trying to brand her and also that they have one photo that polls well

I wonder how big a “fuck the lot of them I won’t vote” effect this will have on the Tory vote. They won’t be keen to go out in December for a kick off.

Question from afar: Do you know how they have reacted to all these... 'small print' statements about which candidate could win where, which might not always technically be complete lies and fabrications, but which definitely hasn't seemed that scientific and reasonable...

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:19 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

This was more or less the moment lots of them started to have serious doubts about Swinson lol

A few weakly said they'd still vote LD mind

I wonder how big a “fuck the lot of them I won’t vote” effect this will have on the Tory vote. They won’t be keen to go out in December for a kick off.

That Jo Swindon poster doesn't feature the words Liberal Democrats

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I like the symbolism of the blue-on-red: Tory on the outside, Labour on the inside!

they have one photo that polls well

a photo that, it must be said, doesn't look much like jo swinson

Are those earrings shaped like padlocks?

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Oh look, Pret have just brought their Xmas sandwich out, I'm a Lib Dem now

possibly a plurality of my old colleagues in my benighted field are almost uncontrollably hostile to corbyn and as a consequence now and then faintly and momentarily LD-curious but their hearts REALLY aren't in it -- they were grumpily sceptical from the get-go abt the umchuk uprising and tbh only seem reactively pro-blair, even

(which i guess is the definition of "homeless" -- i think it's was always quite a built-in stance in said field to basically be dismissive of ALL grown-up politics. voting only encourages them is a very countercultural type of wised-up cynicism, and i think to the extent some of them gravitated towards it, they were also gravitating towards mortgages and such, disgruntled and dry-drunk joyless)

booming post

Oh look, Pret have just brought their Xmas sandwich out, I'm a Lib Dem now

booming post rendered fatally ambiguous bcz the referent for the "it" in the last line is not well nailed down (it's "voting" not "cynicism")

lol, tt remarked to me only a few hours ago that Wimbledon is opening a Leon

seemed unambiguously what you said, mark!

Makes sense Mark. Makes it difficult for LibDems to scoop up 'politically homeless' because that means switching identity - there's nothing tangible they can offer to persuade people to switch because its nothing to do with the tangible (and also they're not really offering anything tangible anyway)

"disgruntled and dry-drunk joyless"

there go i if not for the grace of cheap booze

These voters seem too clustered geographically to matter also.

The closest anyone has come to the genuine centre ground* is probably Farage but is far too right wing economically to have made a genuine go at it

*supports death penalty but not bothered enough about it to make a thing out of it

That list on the stupid poster seems pretty good, but... wouldn't it be more likely to get Corbyn rather than Johnson to agree with that program?

Could it be so simple as that the succes of Macron has made them lose their minds?

can swap out death penalty out for nukes or Brexit, whatever takes your fancy

I think they lost their minds way before Macron's victory lap

farage doesn't talk politics because he's seen the limits of UKIP as a right wing protest party. But any illusions that the BXP are made out of different stuff won't last long. I noticed a candidate yesterday had deleted his twitter account but somebody dug up loads of absolute fash posts, including referring to asylum seekers as Gimme-grunts.

That BXP illusion lasted, what, 10 weeks? if that. Branding was good but should have gone with red. Was a good blue tbf but gave the game away

yeah i should have said "didn't" last long!

I think S Bush actually had a colour wheel and said aqua was the logical choice...

looking forward to anvil's Horrible Left-Wing Party, the first step is to convince Vardy to quit football but maybe his wife will do now

4-5-1, FDR up top

People who are soft left in my peer group/London media bubble will mostly vote Lab with some degree of nose-holding if they don’t like Corbyn, but won’t if they find him antisemitic or are ex-Labs who voted Owen Smith who are also more exercised about left antisemitism out loud than that practiced on the right. They are also making a lot of noise about a Lib Dem vote in the general because: Brexit but with every Jo Swinson fuckup they get a little quieter about that. There are a few TERFs and quiet Islamophobes in that grouping, who don’t like woke people younger than them.

Like imago I voted LD in 2010 (after not voting in 01 or 05) and Green in 2015 (v safe Labour seat). Now Marxists play me close like butter play toast .

There are a few TERFs and quiet Islamophobes in that grouping, who don’t like woke people younger than them.

― coup de twat (suzy),

This TERF thing is the most blue tick thing imaginable!

In the UK at least - they don't go great guns for them elsewhere.

There are a few TERFs and quiet Islamophobes in that grouping, who don’t like woke people younger than them.

this is a key demographic in online spaces. the people on my football forum who really go for me and call me a worthless idiot (and worse) aren't the right-wingers so much as the middle-aged alpha male blokes who espouse an old-fashioned anti-racism and clearly once were something of firebrands, but who now react with violent fury when countenanced with their former stance relumed, rejigged and definitely a shade or two more intersectional

this is what I got after calmly analysing why he might have gone after me unprovoked when I wasn't even posting to the thread:

Piss off Leuth you absolute pillock. Don't ever compare yourself to me - I have the benefits of critical thought, reason and intelligence on my side. You can only regurgitate bilge, bait imbeciles and incite arguments.

You are an intellectual child, thrashing his arms about blindly in a sea of privileged socialist rhetoric, who will still be screaming about some perceived injustice as the rest of us attempt to find our way out of the existential societal crisis we find ourselves in.

You are no better than the alt-right trolls that are paid to antagonise online.

these people are not worth engaging with, obviously, but I do wonder what they do in the sanctity of the ballot box. one hopes they curse under their breath and then vote labour

sounds like a reet supercilious prick, you should invite them here!