Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

How many hours have the BBC had as a headline that Farage isn’t running?

Oh! Just as I say that they’ve replaced it with racing news.

well done lewis hamilton's multi million dollars car

Lewis Hamilton also not standing as an MP.

He is from humble beginnings in a council house in Stevenage, so as a multi zillionaire he will just love to redistribute his wealth obv!

https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2019/11/03142908/Screen-Shot-2019-11-03-at-14.27.48.png

lool, this is Windass level tbf

not all footballers - tony watt tony watt tony tony watt was expressing solidarity yesterday

can’t believe it’s been 7 years since he scored against them slags in the champo league

Glad you mentioned it! He's p much the only footballer I follow, has always been good value and yeah him taking on our Tory bastard of an injured striker yesterday was great

Is this Lib Dem tactical voting calculator thing a bit overblown?

I know never underestmate the weirdness of people but the subsection of society that would use or even know about such a thing but not wikipedia is mostly comprised of people who would vote Lib Dem anyway

disseminating misleading or fake election data on social media is grasping, lowlife behaviour. I suppose it is part of a scummy tradition going back to the old "if you want a n****r for a neighbour" leaflets and there is nothing new about political parties lying for gains. But it could have much a wider reach than you suggest. And also the hypocrisy of a party who apparently stand against everything that was bad about the leave campaign employing the cacophony of noise and blatant misinformation method seems bad.

I don't think the Greens, as a whole, are as bad as has been said.

Many of them, I think, are on the Left and very serious and principled.

I still don't like this thread title.

It's true about the dreadful LDs picture and the funny Power Rangers if that's what they are.

DCI Civility: A hard hitting new police drama set on the mean streets of Derby. Janet Civil and her faithful sidekick Simon Notebook use their pragmatism, logic, and walking in a straight line skills to wrongfoot hotheads, idelogoues and assorted weirdos. Erudition and writing things down was never this sexy

The more press shots she can take with her former coalition partners, the better imo.

I'm sure Sam used to have a very conventional taste in suits before he jumped ship, now he never wants to take those orange strides off!

lol anvil

disseminating misleading or fake election data on social media is grasping, lowlife behaviour.

Not disputing its bad, just unsure if it actually works. Was thinking more about twitter than the hermetically sealed world of Facebook though. I'm not sure if outright fake data from this kind of source is going to be working on Labour voters in sufficient number, unless its voters that have already gone

Anyone actually know any previous Labour voters that have gone LD in the last...6 months? or are wavering?

Vote Lib Dems to get rid of Tories

LDs

Incredible that @joswinson would choose to launch her party's campaign in the most marginal seat in the country. A vote for Lib Dem in Kensington is a cross in the box for Boris' Brexit. It really is that straight forward. pic.twitter.com/21InAVq1To

— lewis bassett (@le_bassett) November 3, 2019

"Many of them, I think, are on the Left and very serious and principled."

Counter: Brexit has melted Caroline Lucas' brain.

am loving ppl calling the lib dems "centrist analytica"

I think Brexit has just revealed what Caroline is really about, now the space right wing Labour gave her to seem left-leaning has gone.

I think 'Brexit has melted her brain' (pun intentional?) was closer

Fuck the Greens (no pun, always intentional)

we've established I'm supporting Labour over them but that is some Dr Morbius shit, your aim should be to persuade more Green voters to support Labour not hurl abuse #BeKindOnline

Oh wait Morbs is the one who votes Green lol, I always forget

Don't forget folks, the OG Green Party was the NSDAP's #BeKindOnline #LibDemsinDisguise

can't get Transformers!LibDemsinDisguise out of my head now!

Vote how you want LJ, nobody cares, just don't pop up and tone police anytime anyone on here doesn't love the Greens. It's just not going to work.

I agree with imago.

I don't think most of the people who've been working for the Green party and going nowhere for 20 years were doing it because they were right-wing / centrist / Swinson crap.

I think most of them were, still are, good and principled people with good priorities.

If a Green publishes a bad online message -- well that person might be their equivalent of Jess Phillips or Liz Kendall. You don't dismiss Labour because those people are in the party.

you can't spell eugenics without two e's and then going GRRR! But seriously I have a strong inkling that at least 72.1 % of Greens will either be breaking neo-Malthusian nazi or breaking melt when the going gets tough.

greens being posh-friendly helps them win seats esp that labour can't, this is def a good thing

*esp locally

seats you say sir?

The tweet is to highlight how alone Labour really are -- with all its problems, like Liz and Jess and whoever else -- as the sole progressive party. A lot of LDs and Greens have chosen this moment to round up on Labour. But yeah if they get Tories to not vote Tory that's good.

If they are 'melts' - like S. Kinnock or whatever - then why have they been bashing their heads against the wall working for a principled but hopeless fringe party, to the left of Labour, for the last few decades?

The theory only makes sense if it posits a large number of 'new Greens', who have only come in in the last 5 years or so, and are closer to Lib Dem, anti-Brexit-march types. That could be accurate. But it doesn't account for their historic actvist and voter base.

I think quite a lot of ppl see voting green as a compromise instead of not engaging w/ politics at all

They might do.

But a lot of other people might think it's the right thing to do as they see ecological catastrophe as the #1 issue and think the Greens might have similar priorities.

I have voted Green in various European and local elections, the kind where you get multiple votes and there's no danger in doing it.

My safe Labour MP isn't great, and won't interpret a vote for her as a vote for JC (she's the type who likes making a BS show of 'I won't be scared to tell JC what I think!'), but I suppose I'll still vote for her as my only way of voting for JC, Macca et al.

Greens standing aside in at least one marginal.

Need to persuade Green voters, but not just them. Need to persuade Lib Dem voters, Conservative voters, non-voters. People vote for all kinds of weird reasons, people are reachable, voters can't be the enemy

Agree.

Labour and the Greens should not attack each other.

Probably the only reason Labour should maybe stand vs Lucas is their formal commitment to stand everywhere (... except NI).

credit due, they did do the right thing in one marginal so far. That's one positive I guess. Poor people without cars and who haven't had a holiday in over a decade are the real Greens imo. And I wouldn't trust that party to act in their interests as far as I could throw Caroline /Soubz (they seem like conjoined twins that repeatedly go Gnuuu GNuu these days!).

Some more tough transformer talk, this time from Nrigella Frarag:

I led Ukip into the 2015 general election. I had all the same stuff, all the same arguments. The Tory tribe screaming and shouting, ‘Don’t take our votes’.

The Ukip vote took more votes from Labour than it did from the Conservatives, David Cameron wouldn’t have even got a majority without Ukip.

We are going to hurt the Labour party in the most extraordinary way. We’ll do it in South Wales, we’ll do it in the Midlands, we’ll do it in the north of England.

Those Labour voters have been completely betrayed by the Labour party. They are my number one target. I got those votes in 2015, I’ll do it again.

Soubry is disgusting scum.

Is Lucas really close to her? Disappointing if so.

Yes, poor people with low carbon footprint are 'de facto green' - fine.

But if you think that's a good thing, then it is somewhat logical to vote for a party focused on being ... green.

Historically, Green policies have been on the Left. If that's changed, it must be a specific recent development.

I'm employing a bit of the old hyperbole there Pinefox, but they did pop up next to each other with Blackford, and were finishing each others sentences calling for a GNU. This was after everyone got a bit excited over the proroguing of parliament.

the un-proroguing of parliament I should have said.

anti-roguing

(in the old days we did this with a guillotine etc)

This Labour Party mob must be some crack outfit, everyone is attacking them and everyone is targeting their seats - makes sense because they've been in power for... er... hold on...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/04/elections-solutions-politics-scandal-lies

Farage apparently only targeting 'votes' rather than seats - not convinced he actually wants any BXP candidate to win. Much like his argument against running as an MP, he can only operate from the 'outside'. If they do win a seat it will be largely accidental.

Jill thinks "this Labour Party mob must be some crack outfit"

Labour is a Leave Party disguising itself as sitting on the fence (trust us, vote for us, and then we'll let you know which way we'll jump) and Gareth Eales is a Corbynite. Could you really vote for that?

— Jill Hope 🔶🔶🔶 (@JillHopeLibDem) November 4, 2019