2020 Democratic presidential primary

Cavils about politicians are true about every politician who ever took a stand. What keeps me from making Sanders my #1 this time are his health and age, but he made it possible for a Warren -- considered a radical by the Obamans and the right until Sanders' fans decided she was a stealth agent -- to mount a serious challenge to Biden. You just come out and say that a decade spent creating and fighting for the CFPB and working on bankruptcy reform means shit because Bernie the Unicorn will save us all.

^^

The last ten years of someone's career are a better indicator of their present thinking than the previous 25.

You could use Google yourself, but here's the most recent: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/12/warren-obama-2020-228068

lol xpost

ok convince me, post some links of how she picked fight after fight with obama.

pvmic that you think "picking fight after fight" is the most effective way to persuade people of a viewpoint

I'm quote replying Frederic's thread a previous thread so...

it's funny how much current affairs has changed his tune from like six weeks ago: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/09/sanders-and-warren-need-a-pact

and also six months ago: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/elizabeth-warrens-excellent-ideas

The notion that no one should ever have had corporate experience before becoming a politician is a weird sort of purity test. Maybe Warren learned a lot of valuable lessons that makes her especially distrustful of corporations like Dow, maybe it makes her better armed to deploy anti-trust and anti-corruption laws where needed, maybe it gave her a very close view of middle class strain, I don’t know what her experience means to her, but I think it’s better to let her explains hers herself rather than applying negative biases without any knowledge of anything.

it's probably good to get every dumb thing the democratic nominee has ever said or done out there in the open as soon as possible for inoculation purposes, and it worries me that bernie has never been on the receiving end of a real negative campaign by a presidential or primary frontrunner. clinton, biden, and warren have all run ahead of him in polls and have never needed to attack him, and trump of course played him up to troll democrats in 2016...

Also if working for Dow 25 years ago is a deal breaker for the american public, what about the useful idiot touring the USSR. My guess is that neither matter much.

I mean christ, Hilary was evil incarnate per some standards and she decimated the public vote. Eight years prior, an afro-american with Hussein as his middle name won the presidency. Certainly we can’t possibly be worried of Warren’s experience with Dow.

The thing about negative attacks like the 'Pocahontas' nonsense and this Dow Chemical innuendo isn't that they persuade everyone, but that they create a negative atmosphere around a candidate, sow disquiet and doubt, and pick off some voters who might otherwise have been receptive. The more of these false narratives you can manufacture and spread, the more you weaken your opponent, even if you don't strengthen your own position directly. The problem with the innuendo dsb is spreading here is that the unmerited disquiet and doubt will carry over to the general election, too, and weaken Warren against Trump, if she gets the nomination.

I'm quote replying Frederic's thread a previous thread so...

look if we're going to adopt Fred's standards for collegial disagreement

Buttigieg sounds well-prepared for international trade and diplomacy.

Pete Buttigieg tells union members in Cedar Rapids that he genuinely believed President Trump, when he got into office, would pass an infrastructure bill that he promised and is surprised that he hasn’t yet.

— Dan Merica (@merica) November 2, 2019

that fuckin guy

big whoop. challenger reminds constituents of incumbent’s false promises without raising defenses by saying “this guy’s a liar.”

as always, plenty of reasons to not be into mayor pete without being disingenuous.

I like Buttigieg

How dare you

lol

he's bad, more like badigieg

mayor pete is a hall monitor

eso. he’s running for class president.

At Buttigieg's town hall in Decorah, he's talking a lot about the national service programs he wants to launch: climate corps, community improvement corps. His dream: When people apply for jobs etc, "the first question is where did you serve and what did you learn?"

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) November 3, 2019

he must be stopped

https://i.imgflip.com/140tle.jpg

as always, plenty of reasons to not be into mayor pete without being disingenuous.

promised and is surprised that he hasn’t yet.

Buttigieg's major weakness is that his Maltese-American vote would get swamped by Melania's Slovenian-American vote, how are people not talking about this

big whoop. challenger reminds constituents of incumbent’s false promises without raising defenses by saying “this guy’s a liar.”

as always, plenty of reasons to not be into mayor pete without being disingenuous.

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.),

otm

lol bg

Cavils about politicians are true about every politician who ever took a stand. What keeps me from making Sanders my #1 this time are his health and age, but he made it possible for a Warren -- considered a radical by the Obamans and the right until Sanders' fans decided she was a stealth agent -- to mount a serious challenge to Biden.
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and none of them mean shit unless we win the Senate

Dems will not win the Senate. Which means that even if/when a Dem wins the presidency and Gisburg retires, the Senate will simply keep the seat open for 4 years until there's a GOP pres and Senate combo again. Which should be great.

It's difficult but less impossible now.

Interesting poll in The NY Times today should hopefully shake up complacent Dems who think Trump will be easy to beat.

yeah lots of those around

ugh EW -6 v Trump in MI?

what is wrong with people

I think that levels of mutual incomprehension between liberals and conservatives in this country are as high as they’ve been at least in my lifetime. I blame the internet.

Some Michigan activist friends on a personal chat room this morning said they didn't quite believe this, especially after 2018 (a Dem governor!), but we're a year out.

i.e. no one other than us knows shit about Warren except she's a woman and says stuff about Medicare.

We should assume we're going to have to fight for each state and mobilize voter registration.

omg of course Weezer supports Yang

https://pitchfork.com/news/heres-what-happened-during-rivers-cuomos-yangapalooza-set/

I've been seeing him a lot in my Twitter feed b/c he wants to legalize online poker, which I always thought was a good plank for a Dem nominee to have on their platform - won't lose you any votes but there are a lot of people very passionate about that

Yang very much seems like a Ron Paul type figure right now but I kinda like him anyway, he's big into hoops which is a big plus for me

who gives a living fuck if he likes hoops?

hoops is good tbh, I am pro-hoops

because ball is life

Romney loves hoops too

"Read “Lizzo, the Clash, and ‘Old Town Road’: What the Democratic Presidential Nominees Walked Out to This Weekend” and “Will Weezer Ever Stop Being Disappointing?” over on the Pitch."

(amazingly the second article doesn't even mention "Can't Knock The Hustle")

re: Buttigieg's service plan, that is not a de facto terrible idea, particularly if said service is not mandated to be military (ie, working in nursing homes, implementation of civil engineering projects, agricultural work, what have you). There is a laundry list of things that people could do to be more directly connected to contributing to the welfare of others living this country that don't involve being a soldier and having a federal program that rotates young people through these positions helps ensure that there are people available to do them; said program should also give these young people a living wage and some benefit to those who pursue further academic or vocational training afterward. (A terrible implementation of it would use young people as free, expendable labor and turn them loose with neither help nor offer of guidance once they satisfied the terms of their service.)

omg of course Weezer supports Yang

possibly not, since they were heavily billed to appear but 2/3 of them didn’t

a “climate corps” suggests Yang does not have a practical and realistic proposal for national service

Yang Buttigieg

A terrible implementation of it would use young people as free, expendable labor and turn them loose with neither help nor offer of guidance once they satisfied the terms of their service.

^these are called internships and it’s what we have now

a “climate corps” suggests Yang does not have a practical and realistic proposal for national service

― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, November 4, 2019 12:24 PM bookmark flag link

Yang Buttigieg

― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, November 4, 2019 12:25 PM bookmark flag link

I mean, I don't know what a "climate corps" is; it might make sense

A terrible implementation of it would use young people as free, expendable labor and turn them loose with neither help nor offer of guidance once they satisfied the terms of their service.

^these are called internships and it’s what we have now

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, November 4, 2019 12:25 PM bookmark flag link

otm

I mean, I don't know what a "climate corps" is; it might make sense

true, if it turns out to mean arming and approving teens to put the heads of all management-and-above agents of the 100 companies responsible for climate assault on pikes in the public square, I can get behind it