Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

"first they came for the billionaires and I said nothing"

Xyzzz - it's tricky for them either way - most of the LDs target seats are Tory-held, so she needs to communicate that she's anti-Corbyn and won't work with him in order to attract liberal/soft Tory voters who are repelled by Johnson and the Brexit policy. However, a lot of these voters are pretty comfortable and might not care about Corbyn one way or another (these people don't really exist in simplistic political discourse but I bet you there are thousands of them out there). The more the LDs ramp up the apocalyptic rhetoric the more it's likely to make them go 'nah, let's stick with the Tories just to be on the safe side'.

It also makes Labour voters less likely to tactically vote LD, even in areas where Labour is nowhere, and they might need those votes.

"and then society was just... better" xp

doesn’t stop newsnight splashing on the “brexit election” every night tho

As I said upthread, Sky's straplines all say Brexit Election.

Re that young headbanger on QT

#bbcqt, a story in 4 parts: pic.twitter.com/Hb0Cq1tmgD

— Insane Clown Pussy (@misslucyp) October 31, 2019

It's only four and a half years since my first experience of a Tory majority as an adult/voter and I'm glad it only lasted a couple of years.

I really think the days of single party majority are over though, with Brexit pulling and pushing against that in roughly equal measure. I'm optimistic and idealistic when it comes to PR but Swinson should be bringing it up again regardless of polls and as much as I want Labour to get as many votes as possible.

The Tories had a net gain of 18 seats in 2015 and it got them over the line but as it is I'll be shocked if they aren't down at least 10 seats after this, hopefully enough to rule out any coalition.

But let's hear from the 'Labour will get massacred' cru itt again some time k

"Read also that Swinson was intending to do a “presidential” campaign"

damn i already feel like i've seen more of her teeth than her fucking dentist has

yeah, i'm fully expecting some kind of narrow coalition after this election, just extremely nervous about which way the chips are gonna fall

Is anyone feeling optimistic about this? I've got the same sense of crushing doom I had at this stage in 2017.

I have a sense of crushing doom when I watch more than 30 seconds coverage of this Brexit Election. Otherwise not too bad, I mean obviously the Tories are going to win.

Part of the issue is that Brexit felt like much more of a foregone conclusion in 2017. It doesn't now.

what do we think of the “tories making shit content for organic shares” theory? BJ’s video last night was shocking and he looked rattled but has racked up 500k views - albeit quite a lot of those will be accompanied by a “ffs state of this” QT

comes back to the is he machieavelli or baldrick question I guess

Yeah even the Happy Halloween one was probably deliberately off key really. I prefer the idea that they keep pushing this more and more that it really backfires of course.

May was always a baldrick, johnson basically is too, however he has his collection of ghouls who are more on the machiavelli side, so dirty tricks are to be expected at the very least

no way does paul m.brie represent 10% of labour voters. mb 10% might take him vaguely seriously

However, a lot of these voters are pretty comfortable and might not care about Corbyn one way or another (these people don't really exist in simplistic political discourse but I bet you there are thousands of them out there). The more the LDs ramp up the apocalyptic rhetoric the more it's likely to make them go 'nah, let's stick with the Tories just to be on the safe side'.

It also makes Labour voters less likely to tactically vote LD, even in areas where Labour is nowhere, and they might need those votes.

― Matt DC, Friday, 1 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

On your first point I think that those left-wing policies coupled with Corbyn's anti-imperialism is kinda repellant to people on the centre who voted between Clegg and Cameron. Maybe a lot of them can see through some of it in regards to Lab's Brexit policy, or it's Green policy (some overlap between those centre right and Greens too).

Totally agree on the 2nd point though. The LDs have not gone for a balanced approach on this at all.

BXP will have 500 candidates

Means they will be up against most tories, which is good?

game on

oh boy i can't wait to see the calibre of candidates they've managed to rustle up

LOLz, yes.

May was always a baldrick, johnson basically is too,

One of the things that gives me hope is Johnson is a shit campaigner and lazy and useless if goaded or under pressure or faced with people who don't buy into his shitty persona.

There is no way Johnson can accept the ultimatum of dropping the Withdrawal Agreement which is Farage’s ask. Farage must know this so I assume it’s an offer designed to be rejected. So we must assume the Brexit Party will contest virtually every seat. No “leave alliance”

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) November 1, 2019

why can't our big brexit boys just get along ;_;

Day 2 off to a good start

Farage says he is open to being flexible in particular seats.
He suggests, if MPs are willing to renounce Boris Johnson’s deal, his party will stand aside.
And he says there could be informal pacts on the ground between Brexit supporters.

After the election rules kick in and leaders must publish itineraries, all BJ hospital visits will feature crowds chanting NOT FOR SALE.

I'm not optimistic, because this it's the knowledge of just how many people you live among are stupid feckless vicious cunts and because literally everything seems to be fucking awful and will not stop being awful

I don't think Labour will be massacred. but I can see Johnson scraping through

Unseatings I am particularly relishing the prospect of in order: Johnson (assuming he doesn't bottle it), IDS, Nigel Dodds, Mark Choker Field's now vacant seat in the City, BEN BRADLEY FFS, Phil Davies, Soubry, Kawczynski and both Jared and C Williamson as long as labour beat both. JRM losing might be the most incredible one that could actually happen (I think the LD support there may have already nixed this tho).

The most amazing probably unassailable majority in the 'wtf how is this possible' sense remains with Dorries

I was at Labour's official campaign launch yesterday.

JC was inspirational.

The Guardian immediately reported it as: Doubts about JC's future.

Maybe this is really one for the Guardian thread.

s/o to the awful B listers about to be unseated like kirstene hair, ross thomson, ben bradley etc

Nashwan, you forgot Swinson losing to SNP!

I forgot Scotland altogether tbfttl but yes all Tories north of the Wall

No way is Jared O'Mara contesting his seat? Watching Gapes go should be fun as well. Also Chris Leslie.

I forgot Mara had withdrawn too yes, can't keep up

When do those fairness rules kick in?

Excellent from Momentum: https://www.mycampaignmap.com/

'No events found here' lol.

xxp
after Colbyn has had a few more kickings and his stasi collaboration files and a photo of childhood him stomping a rabbit to death have been posted to 40 million homes.

excuse me, he pogo-sticked a rabbit to death iirc

in case you missed the reference

pic.twitter.com/2LdE1hJNoj

— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) November 1, 2019

one's a deranged clown bent on reshaping the world to fit his depraved vision and the other is &c &c

otm

What this highlights is Corbyn’s bravery. That Miliband can come out with this now is worth something but Corbyn’s bravery as leader has created the space. https://t.co/TpI61Aup25

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) November 1, 2019

Corbyn first showed this bravery when he spotted that a friend's rabbit was actually evil and possessed by the spirit of General Woundwort ....

i take some optimism from the grading-on-a-curve situation. (As said, the Tories need a decent majority here to win, Lab just needs enough to cobble together a fuck-Brexit pact.)

Stop Brexit would be lovely/funny but it's hard to get energized about a Labour government strapped to the festering corpse of the Lib Dems when it comes to the real business of actually making this country one percent less shitty

I can't see any circumstances under which the Lib Dems would go into any sort of governing coalition with Corbyn. It would have to be Labour and SNP or Labour, Lib Dems and SNP with a leader of the LD's choosing.

yeah, i was gonna say, swindon has made it abundantly clear that the idea of actually doing something decent for once in her life is abhorrent, so i don't think we'll be seeing a lablib coalition in this timeline

Swindon will be gone on the 12th but possibly replaced by some other abhorrent twat

Agree with all above. I honestly think it's more conceivable LibDem, despite their Brexit stance, would hitch up - again - with the Tories than w/ Labour.

some might even suggest that it's secretly what they're hoping for

oh i think that's entirely possible but it's also possible that a Labour minority government will have to come to some sort of rapprochement with the Lib Dems