In Every Multiplex, A Meet The Spartans
― David R., Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
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1. If Rodriguez/Miller had only done one story, the movie would have been 40 minutes long.
I think you could've actually easily made an enjoyable 90-100 minute feature film based on the first comic only. But now the whole story is told in 50 minutes super-speed with no room for atmospherics, breathing space, etc. For example, take the scene where Marv walks in the rain and tries to figure out who's pulling the strings behind everything that's happened. In the comic Miller devotes several splash pages to it, and it really feels like a needed pause between the action scenes, a calm before the final storm. But in the movie the whole scene is done with fast cuts in a couple of minutes, and it doesn't have the same effect at all.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
omg that would have been the most excruciating thing on Earth
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
what does strike you as a particularly good reason to make a movie?
To make an adaptation that uses cinema's own strengths and gives the viewer a new interpretation of the basic story, instead of slavishly copying all the visual aspects and the plot from the original comic.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Too true.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
-- Tuomas, Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:05 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
what if the visual aspect is the only interesting thing about it?
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
15 minutes of Marv walking in the rain is probably the number one thing I would say "Sin City" would never need.
(again, s1ocki OTM)
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
one of the reasons Sin City sucked was exactly the way it tried so slavishly to transfer everything in the original comic to the screen.-- Tuomas
-- Tuomas
both of them are visually-stunning; most of my enjoyment of both movies came from the deep commitment to visual style evidenced in both.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Robert Bresson's Sin City.
― Pancakes Hackman, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
i think it farts and sings
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
how's that working out for you
fine really
― blueski, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
then its NOT A GOOD IDEA. sheesh.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, then you should realize that sometimes a certain visual aspect only works well in a comic book. If you can't come with any original ways of trying to convey the same effect in cinematic terms, don't try to slavishly the ape the comic's visuals if they're bound to look silly onscreen.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
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yeah the Man Without Fear is pretty unfuckwithable
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
jessica rabbit was hot in the comics too
― remy bean, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.cinematical.com/media/2008/04/jessicarabbit1.jpg
― remy bean, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
im not even a big sin city fan, it's just that the dogmatic approach to what SHOULD and SHOULDNT be a movie is kind of annoying
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
I go back to my "jesus god you people are dour" post.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
convincing world-hating brutalist Crass schlocky alive dynamic kinda adult arrested erotic explicit Disneyfied Maxim squeaky-clean T&A full-grown/stunted sexuality fuck you fury robotically beautiful slickness ugly as shit visually-stunning appallingly stupid ugly graceless farts drools sings
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Radiohead's finest lyrical hour.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Roger Rabbit is great btw. I tend to hate Zemeckis (who doesn't?) but that one is a real gem.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
So you can't criticize movies if you find them lacking in certain ways?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Stuff like the cartoonish weightless bodies or caricatures like the Yellow Bastard simply looked silly, because cinema is inherently a more "realistic" medium, and therefore exaggeration and caricaturization can't be used in it the same way as in a comic.
I don't know, anytime I need a cheer-up it's pretty great to think of Elijah wood grimacing and hopping around moonwalk-style in a Charlie Brown sweater.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
You can, but you should be prepared for people to tell you that they think you're a dogmatic robot.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not saying that Sin City SHOULD'VE been exactly this and this way, I'm just saying that for me it didn't work, and it was pretty easy to pinpoint the reasons why.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
-- Tuomas, Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:19 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
no, you just seem to be drawing these arbitrary rules that don't really mean anything or are so obvious they're not worth pointing out. hey did you know that COMICS aren't the same thing as MOVIES?!?
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
its not so much a dogmatic idea of what shouldn't or should be done so much as it is understanding what does and doesn't work about a specific medium. I agree with contenderizer (and obviously disagree w/S1ocki and Dan) that Sin City looked terrible. I just did not think it looked good on-screen. Saying that it faithfully aped the style of the comics is not enough to recommend it, as accomplishing that particular aesthetic feat is fairly pointless and not a particularly good idea. Its like saying that a building based on a Van Gogh painting must be great, cuz it LOOKS JUST LIKE A VAN GOGH PAINTING! Never mind that its a shitty building.
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― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Let's talk more about Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Love that movie. And I promise to refrain from using words that are bad.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i think it translated the comic pretty spot on and kudos to the casting of carla gugino imo. i didn't like the source material that much and tbh i think rodriguez did a totally fine job, even if i personally don't think the whole thing is my...thing.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.chucksconnection.com/sincity/sincity03.jpg
"Watch out bitches, when I'm done with my Seventh Day Adventist shit, I'm gonna take to Mario-style hopping!"
"Srsly I am scary!"
...
"I mean it!"
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Ned Raggett's Post.
― jeff, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.negativespace.net/victorian-graffiti/kevingdoll.jpg
"BOOGA BOOGA BLOOBY bippity boppity boo!"
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Also I think Jessica Alba has a midriff.
"Abbott sums up the movies 4 u"
Okay, Elijah apparently is scarier IRL than as 'Kevin':
http://www.bitetv.ca/blog/archives/Elijah%20Wood.jpg
I had a crush on you since age 10, what're you DOING to me here, buddy? *96 tears*
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
was that really necessary
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Elijah, that wasn't really necessary! I agree.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
see that's an example of how to really bring illustrated visuals to life.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link
HI DERE NOT SAFE FOR FUCKING WORK OK
― David R., Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link
He makes dirty jokes, but HI DERE is usually safe for work. I mean, he still has a job.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Birth is a natural and beautiful event in a woman's life, David
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyway, I'm still looking forward to Watchmen, though the previews smell.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
has nobody brought up the lawsuit that might derail the whole enterprise yet?
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
they smell like meat
omg i love meat
― blueski, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
slocki that is why the tread got revived.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
-- s1ocki, Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:34 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
upthread, amigo!
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, who are we kidding? One big check later, movie is back in theaters. It's gone too far to stop now.
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Oily OTM
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link