2020 Democratic presidential primary

Actually seems p solid

Kind of difficult to effectively address and correct institutional racism in policing during a traffic stop. Seems like the big picture here is just escaping unhurt, as Bernie indicates in what was tweeted of his reply. If he said more, it isn't in the tweet, but obviously there's a lot more that could be said.

Biden answered that if he was Biden's son, he would be white, so he wouldn't be pulled over by the police to begin with. Both answers are a bit... awkward.

But Aimless pretty much otm.

I wonder if unperson preferred Harris' answer, which included the phrase "nothing stops a bullet like a job."

My interest in Harris has waned as the odds of her actually becoming the nominee have lengthened. But even when she was my #2 pick it was mostly about her being a competent steward of the US in its capacity as international death machine.

(In case you're in any way confused by that statement, I'll make it explicit: Yes, I am holding different candidates to different standards.)

lol, I am blocked from notcapnamerica's tweets, I have made four tweets in nine years.

me too!

There are firefox extensions people use to mass-block followers-of-whoever.

unperson when you say harris would be the most competent steward of the American death machine, do you mean Harris will kill fewer people, or that she'll kill the "right" people, or something else?

A combination of those two.

so "fewer right people" then

If he said more, it isn't in the tweet, but obviously there's a lot more that could be said.

He did.

"I would also be very mindful of the fact that as a nation we have got to hold police officers accountable for the actions the commit… I would be very cautious… but I would also defend my rights and know my rights and make sure that police officer’s camera is on."

*they commit

Taking sentences or even phrases by Sanders out of context is a lib Twitter sport.

about five people were outraged, we really don't need to feed this stupid machine with every soundbite

If you listen to the full clip, he says that people shouldn’t have to live in feat of the police, and we desperately need more accountability. But in the here and now, people ned to be cautious, especially black people, but they should also make sure to take the cop’s name and make sure they know their rights.

This is honestly just some out of context nonsense. Substantively, he is on the right side of this issue.

since i don't even own a tv, i hadn't noticed that it only plays tom steyer ads

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/weve-already-seen-twice-as-many-presidential-tv-ads-as-at-this-point-in-the-2016-election/

Using data from Kantar/Campaign Media Analysis Group, we can compare the pace of TV ad spending so far in 2019 with the same point in 2015. And so far, the 2020 campaign has seen more than twice as many television ad spots as the 2016 race. From Jan. 1 through Oct. 20, 2019, campaigns and outside groups spent an estimated $33.3 million on 76,030 television ad spots for the 2020 presidential election. By contrast, through the week of Oct. 18, 2015, campaigns and outside groups had aired only 32,191 TV spots — despite spending more money than they have so far this year ($43.1 million compared with $33.3 million).1

That disparity is especially wild considering that there were two competitive primaries in 2016 — on both the Republican and Democratic sides — while 2020 features just one spirited nomination fight. But already a total of 73,117 pro-Democratic spots have been aired in the presidential race so far compared with only 23,649 spots aired in 2015 by Republicans, whose primary (a record number of candidates, no dominant front-runner) resembles the current Democratic one.

And there’s basically one reason for that; his name is Tom Steyer. The self-funding billionaire has already aired 59,615 spots touting his candidacy, or 78 percent of all 2020 presidential spots so far — dropping an estimated $23.2 million in the process. In fact, without Steyer, advertising levels in the 2020 race look a lot more like 2016. Only 16,415 spots have been aired by sponsors other than Steyer, which is right in between the 23,649 GOP spots and the 8,388 Democratic spots aired through this point in 2015. It also wasn’t until Steyer jumped into the race in July that 2020 advertising really took off.

Job creation!

Whoever the Democratic nomination process chooses, it seems unavoidable that the general election will be a referendum on the Trump presidency. And whoever becomes the Democratic nominee, the Trump strategy will consist solely of painting them as being the scariest nightmare of a democrat they can create, using whatever bits of old clothes and straw they can throw together and make stand up.

I think that’s correct. The question for Democrats is who they would want to bet on in a street fight with Trump. Quick reflexes and a good counterpunch will be key.

re: the Sanders quote, this was my take:

This is Respectability Politics 101, which apparently is unforgivable when coming from old black people but is just fine when coming from Grandpa Savior. https://t.co/KokUIPWxS6

— DJP (@djperry1973) October 27, 2019

To be clear, the issue is not the advice; it’s how its reception seems predicated on who is giving it. I think this makes sense, but it is an inherently conservative argument that asserts the primacy of the police’s feelings over the public’s.

— DJP (@djperry1973) October 27, 2019

Yes, this is an extended gas face to the white leftists who told me I was being a bad black person who played into white supremacy by making this exact argument in the 90s and 00s. I saw you then and I see you now.

— DJP (@djperry1973) October 27, 2019

respect your opinion, DJP

i don't know how representative TWitter is of the electorate as a whole but certainly more than 5 people were mad about this, from what I saw.

Maybe when a white person is asked a question that begins, "if you were black..." the correct answer should begin, "because I am not black and don't have the experience required to answer that question properly..."

what advice do black parents of black sons give their sons re: being pulled over by the police?

exactly what Bernie said, only IME there is a vocal contingent of non-black leftists who have seized upon the phrase "respectability politics" and their love of Fear of a Black Planet who enjoy telling black people who say this in mixed company that they aren't really black

like, if you are gonna be all "any form of deference is weakness, fight the power 24/7" that is one thing, but when you're saying to the people whose lives are more at risk than yours but going "hmm, this old white man has a point in how black people should act in these situations" you should really fuck off for a while interrogate your beliefs/thought processes

Ha, those people sound obnoxious.

They are!

beyond obnoxious. that's insane & completely lacking empathy & perspective! (which comes with the territory of racism obv)

appreciate your response, DJP

New CNN poll of NH (trend since July):

Sanders: 21% (+2)
Warren: 18% (-1)
Biden: 15% (-9)
Buttigieg: 10% (+0)
Gabbard: 5% (+4)
Klobuchar: 5% (+5)
Yang: 5% (+4)
Harris: 3% (-6)
Steyer: 3% (+3)

Gets Gabbard one step closer to November debate.https://t.co/5qP1pcvg0T

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) October 29, 2019

gabbmentum

Harris' campaign has been such a shitshow :(

Pretty stunned by her lack of traction anywhere with anyone

Did they stop polling Booker and Castro?

I feel like she tried to do the triangulation thing too early, rather than build a solid base and grow from there. But she never had the bulk of black voters behind her, leftists flocked to Bernie and Warren, and older/more "centrist" voters went to Mayor Pete and Uncle Joe. She just never carved a lane.

She's been a wretched advocate for her own positions, in part because she keeps changing them in public.

Something something COP

Meanwhile the NYT wants to do to Warren what it did with Clinton.

yeah she kept saying something and then publicly backing away from it

and the left twitterverse went hard after to disqualify any claims as a "progressive" (which I don't think was fair, but we already had those arguments)

xp

I feel like she tried to do the triangulation thing too early

yep

i mean, that's just who she is. that wasn't clear at the beginning, but then i listened to an interview with her for about 15 minutes and it quickly became apparent. there is a time and a place (or historical era) for that kind of approach. just not POTUS in the year 2020

She just never carved a lane.

I get that this is true but at the same time I think it's kinda sad that you have to do this. Harris might well have a case to be a Presidential candidate who would be nobody's first choice but who almost all Democrats would be pretty into, and it's just not clear you can win a multi-person primary as that person.

But speaking against myself, I think you could argue that Elizabeth Warren is ALSO that person and has skillfully built that status into being one of the front-runners, and by virtue of that, now has a lane of people who are first-choice-Warrenites.

Warren also had a way higher profile from being in the Senate longer and having signature issues, which Harris does not.

I feel like she tried to do the triangulation thing too early

could it be that this is just who she is?

My pet theory is she acts like a prosecutor, i.e. she's unwedded to any argument because she'll use whatever means necessary.

sounds right