The Lysergic Acid Diethylamidiotic Joe Biden & Sarah Palin VP Presidential Debate thread in the 2 zero zero 8 (2008 party over oops)

maybe they can arrange a second debate where biden can rend his clothes and palin can have a wardrobe malfunction

Ed stealin my jokes

for those unlucky enough to not have watched the debate on cc this highlight reel has the awesome undecided voters tracker at the bottom there which is awesome

"on cnn"

Who will clean up the living rooms of America? Dripping with ricochet starbusts?

I thought she was really cute throughout the debate, but I'm not in the habit of voting with my dick.

good, cause those new touchscreens are hard to clean

i figured when she said "o'biden" it was an attempt to bring back the 1850s

http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/omalley/120/alien/shanty.jpg

her usual YA WANT SOME JUICE HON delivery

oh my lols

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/3/84824/0108/623/618748

interesting fact-checking article:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/fact-check/

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lol oh boy

I love Joe, but when he goes "I'm ready, you're ready, Barack Obama is ready" I really want him to go

http://www.bonesaw.org/history/bonesaw.jpg

BOONNE SAW IS READ-EE!!!

Great, just what we need. Our first bimbo VP. Winking?! Who falls for this? Emotionally deprived people who got dropped on their head a lot as kids?

― Michael White, Friday, October 3, 2008 4:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the first time she winked the other two people in the room were in conversation and missed it and I thought what she'd done was so tawdry and inappropriate to the situation that I... I thought I'd winked and the pressure on my eye had distorted my vision. then she did it again. and again, until the surrealism faded and it just became a cheap joke

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20081003/capt.a9a835d7222843cda7329d263a718f02.vice_presidential_debate_mots151.jpg

I ... I think she just winked at me! *starburst*

You didn't ask me about the debate, but...
By
Roger Ebert
on October 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Permalink | Comments (10) | TrackBacks (0)

I have some observations about what we observed Thursday night. They are not political. They involve such matters as body language, facial expression and vocal tone. These are legitimate subjects for a film critic. As Patrick Goldstein wrote recently in the Los Angeles Times: "In some ways film critics are probably better equipped to assess the political theater of today's presidential campaigns, since our campaigns are -- as has surely been obvious for some time -- far more about theater and image creation than politics." I would like to discuss the vice presidential debate as theater.

I sensed that Sarah Palin was nervous. Well, she had every right to be, and as I thought about the debate during the day on Thursday, I felt some empathy for her: In university terms, she was being asked to defend her doctoral thesis without having written it. If that had been me facing Joe Biden with the same preparation, I don't know if I could even have walked onto the stage.

So she was understandably nervous, and you could tell that by her rapid speech, faster than what we've heard before from her. Listening to her voice, you could also sense when she felt she'd survived the deep waters of improvisation and was climbing onto the shore of talking points. When she was on familiar ground, she perked up, winked at the audience two of three times, and settled with relief into the folksiness that reminds me strangely of the characters in "Fargo."

Palin is best in that persona. You want to smile with her and wink back. But who did she resemble more? Marge Gunderson, whose peppy pleasantries masked a remorseless policewoman's logic? Or Jerry Lundegaard, who knew he didn't have the car on his lot, but smiled when he said, "M'am, I been cooperatin' with ya here." Palin was persuasive. But I felt a brightness that was not always convincing.

Yes, she wins high marks for emerging from the debate still standing and still smiling. Polls show that she performed better than a great majority of viewers thought she would. My concern here is not with the substance of which either candidate said; that would be political. My concern is with the performances. Watching the debate, I was reminded of a famous observation by Dr. Samuel Johnson, the great 18th century English critic, who went to witness with his own eyes a woman giving a sermon in a church. This was unheard of in his day. "A woman's preaching," he told his friend James Boswell, "is like a dog's standing on its hind legs. It is not done well, but one is surprised to find it done at all."

One thing a critic of a live performance is sensitive to is any unanticipated moment. There was a famous moment at the National Theater in London when an actor pulled out an automatic pencil to make some notes. It contained no lead. He should have pretended it did. Instead, he said, "There is no lead in my pencil." Then, fatally, he paused to listen to what he had said, and the audience roared with laughter when they were certainly not intended to.

A very different sort of unanticipated moment took place during the debate. Biden said, "I know what it's like to be a single parent raising two children." He did not know if his sons would survive the auto accident that took his wife and daughter. For a moment, he lost his composure. Looking at the moment again here >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/biden-gets-choked-up-talk_n_131449.html<; I believe, as I did at the time, that it was genuine emotion, and not stagecraft.

It could not have been anticipated by Palin. The next camera angle was above and behind her. She paused. The silence seemed to anticipate words of sympathy and identification from her. But Biden had ended in a sentence using the word "change," and her response, reflecting no emotion at all, cued off that word and became a talking point about McCain. This felt to me, at worst, insensitive and callous. At best, that she had not fully heard Biden. In either event, her response troubled me. If a man had responded in that way to such a statement from a women, he would be called a heartless brute.

Sometimes during a live performance you can hear an actor "going up." That's actor-speak for forgetting the lines. Laurence Olivier went up on an Oscarcast, after he was awarded an honorary Oscar. Whatever he said (the transcript shows it made no sense), the speech made an enormous impression. In an audience reaction shot, you could lip-read Jon Voight: "Wow." The next morning I went to interview Michael Caine. "Larry called me last night," he said. "He asked what I thought of his speech. I said it was wonderful, but I didn't have the slightest idea what he had said. He said I was exactly right: 'It's like during Shakespeare, when you go up and start blathering about being off to Salisbury on the morn.'"

I sensed that happening during Palin's response to the question about same-sex marriage and civil contracts. She was clear that she opposed same-sex marriage. So was Biden. I have no idea what she said about civil contracts. Neither did Gwen Ifil, apparently, because she concluded that Biden and Palin were in agreement. I knew what McCain (and supposedly Palin) really thought about the subject. I sensed that Palin had gone off to Salisbury.

These are some of my observations during the performance. What about Biden? I felt he basically jiust stood there and said what he thought, weaving in some talking points, of course. He seemed to want to come across as level, convinced, confident, and he did. To recycle a figure of speech, it was not a surprise to find him standing on his hind legs.

we did shots on "redistribution of wealth," "government is not the solution it's the problem" and "white flag of surrender" inside of like 20 minutes and decided we better not play that game anymore

Where's that dude with the thread that can animate .gifs real fast?!

http://www.sweetstall.com/acatalog/Starburst.jpg

for those unlucky enough to not have watched the debate on cc this highlight reel has the awesome undecided voters tracker at the bottom there which is awesome

this was amazing

The same-sex marriage thing pissed me off somewhat. I feel that O/B are going backwards in their rhetoric on that one.

Really? I thought that was pretty consistent w/ Obama's position of separating the religious implications of marriage from the civil definition.

edward and person who made that bizarre comparing mccain's pow-pimping to biden's comments last night,

this is what i look like reading your posts:
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/tunnelofhorror.gif

please stop talking.

thanking u,
the schef

not this again

x-post

The substance is the same but the rhetoric is regressive, I think. I also agree with separating religious marriage from the civil rights associated with it but at the same time I don't think "marriage" should be a magical term reserved only for the religious.

I'm going to start busting ass if I hear more gay talk.

lolz

maybe i'm an idiot but what does the tracker at the bottom of the cnn screen indicate w/r/t the undecideds? i don't know if having the sound on matters, i can't turn on the sound right now.

define "busting ass." is "busting ass" in the Constitution? What would the framers say?

the schef looks like a baby

My only point, really, is that they were putting that same message across in a more progressive, inclusive manner earlier, and it came across as exclusive last night even though the substance was exactly the same.

I'm stopping now because I don't want to see Alfred busting ass.

would also have excepted "I'm going to toss some salad" or "blow my top"

x-posts haha

Palin's failure to even say "gay" aloud is repulsive when one considers she was much more forthright about her best friend in her Couric interview; and I hated how Biden chomped down hard on the word "NO!" when asked if he supported homo marriage.

chomped down hard

lolz at Palin dissing Couric on Fox News

argh excepted = accepted duh

Can we go back to where someone was seriously suggesting that Biden's moment over his dead wife and daughter was staged and shun them? I missed that part of the thread.

seriously^^^^^

Suggest Shun

hey how about that tracker, fellas, is biden like the + symbol and palin the - or something?

Not watching the tracker so I can't answer that one, sorry.

I have only heard the "heartbeat away" phrase used since Palin's nom. Was that phrase ever, ever around before, ESPECIALLY in the context of a presidential election, or discussing a potential (not current) vice president?

Yours curiously,

Abbott

probably was used w/quayle

But do you recall if it was an omnipresent meme?

I had a moment of screaming terror where I thought Palin's comment about "Her reward is in Heaven" was about Biden's dead wife and not the currently-living one but Wikipedia assuaged me pretty quickly. That link probably jumped into Biden's head faster than it jumped into mine, though, and stuck around so that when he started talking about his family, he was momentarily overwhelmed.

hey how about that tracker, fellas, is biden like the + symbol and palin the - or something?

― omar little, Friday, October 3, 2008 2:50 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its a group of undecided voters opinion on whatever is happening at that particular moment - the higher it goes the more theyre enjoying themselves - the green line is men yellow is women

fuck CNN for not being sensitive to yellow-green color blind people like myself. ARE THE MEN SWOONING OR ARE TEH WOMEN, I DON'T KNOW!!!

coming to joe biden with a sentence that begins with "your wife" and ends with "in heaven" a couple words later is not classy or cool

I hated how Biden chomped down hard on the word "NO!" when asked if he supported homo marriage.

God, you took the wrong Biden

please stop talking.

thanking u,

the schef

daerest schef,

I stopped talking about it hours ago but if you want to bring it up again I'm sure someone else will get bent out of shape by my distrust of emoting politicians.

o hey look and there it is

dr morbius shut the fuck up