Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

xxp ok, to put a finer point on it: the thread explains why if “Scorsese vs marvel” is really an actual thing that we have to do it’s gonna be Scorsese all day unless you’re a fucking cop 😜

The thing is, for me it's not about Scorsese vs Marvel, and it's been dispiriting to see how few fellow film nerds are able to see past that framing. Of course Scorsese films are better! The thing is, was what he said accurate or not, and it's not. And of course it's harsh! 'That's not cinema!' Coppola called them 'despicable!'. It's okay to agree, and think that Coppola is right to call Taika Waititi the maker of a 'despicable' film, but of course it's a harsh attack on a fellow film maker.

xp It's not an actual thing though? He's allowed be a mensch and have a lousy opinion in his old age - it's a blessing he doesn't have more (other than the whole Polanski business, where he hardly stands out).

I look forward to this discourse reaching its final form, where he declares that he's going to make a hiphop track a superhero movie that will show us all, then makes increasingly infrequent references to it in interviews over the next decade.

It’s a good opinion I’m afraid

Here's a good opinion: People who rate opinions on whether they are 'good' rather than 'correct' can go fuck themselves.

it's a bad opinion i'm afraid

Well, you can go fuck yourself, I'm afraid

*lubes up*

lol :)

Here's a good opinion: People who rate opinions on whether they are 'good' rather than 'correct' can go fuck themselves.

Okay, genie, I guess my second wish will be to undo my first wish for Marvel movies that are good + fun. I thought we were ready but clearly we aren't. We just aren't.

You can have nothing but marvel movies for the rest of time, but you must pay the ultimate price: some people not liking them

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lmao wins

Anyone insisting that people have to like Marvel movies is a putz.

Scor*s*ese made a children’s film this decade! He isn’t against them - his mildly stated opinion on these ones should be taken in good faith in the context of a lifetime of extremely catholic (lol) moviegoing. People imagining he’s coming from a place of snooty hauteur are either being disingenuous or actually don’t know anything about who is talking

I know he made a children's film this decade, but the moral of that film was 'poor Georges Meliés' so I don't think that disproves him as a filmsnob...

This seems, for whatever reason, to be a topic where nuance can find little purchase.

Cinéma > Film > Movies > Pictures > Flicks

Just taking notes here. Work in progress, probably missed a few...

xp Blame the movies that inspired the conversation in the first place.

Thank u for underscoring my point.

You're welcome, stupid.

thank u for keeping us entertained between cape operas

we should make a list of all the quality pictures that get wide distribution during this golden age

these superheroes today with their rocking and a-rolling and hipping and hopping, Batman punching Spider-Man in Riverdale...it's all just noise

I look forward to this discourse reaching its final form, where he declares that he's going to make a hiphop track a superhero movie that will show us all

fave recurring absurdity itt is "these movies are like hiphop", because multibilliondollar authoritarian product martin scorsese treated with insufficient respect == revolutionary form of underclass self-expression triggering an orgy of copyright violation and decades of moral panic. they're both for the young u see

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Yes, that is what I said. I said Marvel movies were like hiphop. You got it exactly right.

argument has gotten recursive so lemme throw this out there: which of the current cycle of superhero movies (let's say since 2008 since that's the Dark Knight/Iron Man marker) most approach "cinema" by the standards of the Scorcese pronouncement?

Genuine answer: the only one I've seen that seemed to have glimmers of a personality was Ragnarok. But I may have been caught offguard by a lifting headache.

I'd say The Dark Knight Rises, but that's because I now hate cinema.

Of course Scorsese films are better! The thing is, was what he said accurate or not, and it's not. And of course it's harsh! 'That's not cinema!' Coppola called them 'despicable!'. It's okay to agree, and think that Coppola is right to call Taika Waititi the maker of a 'despicable' film, but of course it's a harsh attack on a fellow film maker.

This is my precise pov, btw

xps Tho if that cliffhanger opening was actually connected to a different Marvel movie in a genuine narrative extension, and not just as a corny fake "last week, in our story" gag, downgrade my opinion a few notches.

xp I’m most interested in the professional dis/shade aspect of their comments. And how Favreau noted — “I’ve worked with Marty”... I think that’s a subtle “c’mon, man”

strongly recommend anyone with any love for superhero movies try this year's Fast Color, which was a joy from either side of the popcorn/cinema divide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tySUZIiXObc

if I were Scorsese and my so-called colleagues called me "Marty" I'd pray for Thanos to vaporize me

Especially if it's Jon Favreau

Marty's condemned to forever wander the multiverse in search of the Cinema Gem.

Personally, I haven't proclaimed (and wouldn't proclaim) that any superhero film is High Art so my response to anyone rejecting the notion of superhero films as High Art would be 'you are correct.' My response to anyone painting all superhero films with a broad Worthless Trash brush because they aren't High Art would be 'you are perhaps making a reactionary bad faith argument rn.'

now that is solomonic

nosing about to answer my own question and realized i forgot Frank Miller's (Sin) Spirit movie existed... i'm gonna have to get real wasted sometime and force myself through as much of it as i can handle... this cast! the music! the outrageously bad script, even in the trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdaVjwEFOEk

FTR, I'd easily place 3-4 Coppola films and, despite my appreciation, precisely zero superhero films in my all-time top 50. But also precisely zero Scorsese films would make the cut (sorry, Marty).

dropping "marty" in public-- had a professor addicted to this-- is a bogdanovichist thirst move (xps)

Jon Favreau in an ascot beside his underage model girlfriend

Fast Color looks interesting - thematically it reminds me of N.K. Jemisin's Broken Earth books. Will definitely check that out.

I thought everyone in tha biz calls him “Marty”??

argument has gotten recursive so lemme throw this out there: which of the current cycle of superhero movies (let's say since 2008 since that's the Dark Knight/Iron Man marker) most approach "cinema" by the standards of the Scorcese pronouncement?

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First of all, it's a bullshit standard. But even going by those standards, all of them pass! All of the superhero films have scenes of 'human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.' And consistently, those are the worst scenes!

Marty isn't using "cinema" to connote "high art," though.

I hated it when Jake as Mysterio didn't convey the emotional, psychological experience of getting nude for me.

xp No matter how many times people in bad faith type the word out phonetically.

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